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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2020, 04:49:18 PM »
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I real life the tender got taller by them adding a band around the base. On the model you could just cut the bottom off.

But I think then the electronics won't fit.

Here is an N scale tender cut down:

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2020, 02:51:08 PM »
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I real life the tender got taller by them adding a band around the base. On the model you could just cut the bottom off.

But I think then the electronics won't fit.

Here is an N scale tender cut down:


That's a good thought.

The electronics are all getting replaced with something not Big Boy sized, so I should have more space.

But the bigger question is if I want to take the risk with a difficult to replace piece. I think I might save the conversion for my next one (the eBay alert is still active, after all...).

Would a Bachmann On30 2-6-0 tender be more to size?  I have a spare one collecting dust that needs a new home.   I do like this new project you have embarked on, I thought about going to O gauge myself several years back . I made the four foot rule the six foot rue instead.

It might be, but that stuff tends to be small, even for the 19th century. Can you send me some dimensions on it?

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2020, 03:20:50 PM »
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I took a set of calipers and scribed a line around that tender bottom. It was easy to just cut to that line and get and even cut.

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2020, 03:33:02 PM »
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I took a set of calipers and scribed a line around that tender bottom. It was easy to just cut to that line and get and even cut.

Heh, for you, maybe.  Not us mere mortals.  :P

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2020, 04:17:26 PM »
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I took a set of calipers and scribed a line around that tender bottom. It was easy to just cut to that line and get and even cut.

And also, the tender is a pretty hefty chunk of die cast metal. It weighs about as much as a box full of N scale engines, lol.

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2020, 04:36:24 PM »
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And also, the tender is a pretty hefty chunk of die cast metal. It weighs about as much as a box full of N scale engines, lol.

OK turn it up-side down and clamp to my milling machine  :P

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2020, 09:09:09 AM »
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OK turn it up-side down and clamp to my milling machine  :P

Triangulating your position...  :D

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2020, 09:01:14 PM »
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I did a little scenicing over the past week.

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2020, 09:40:38 PM »
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It's alive!


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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2020, 09:49:24 PM »
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Sweet!  In the other video what is the disc in front of the motor.

Also. Do you know how big O scale trees are?  :trollface:

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2020, 11:13:21 PM »
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The disc is the MTH cam for timing exhausts.

And yes, yes I do: f**king huge.

It's another good reason to model the deforested early 20th century.

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2020, 10:05:53 AM »
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Oh man. I have been SLACKING on this thread!

First, an update on Vivian.

Here's the inside of the tender with the new decoder installed. Pleasantly, there's still room for deadrail equipment down the road too.

This install also includes a TCS Super Bass speaker. I plan on adding another smaller one in the smokebox too, but it was out of stock on my last supplies order.

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I also wasn't happy with the color of the smokebox. Smokebox paint (at least in this era) isn't really "paint" but is graphite suspended in oil. While the existing color seems plausible in that regard, I think it simply looks better being lighter, especially as a background for future soot. This was Tamiya "flat aluminum" with which I'm pretty happy.

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I think I might it get one more coat before I call it done.

I've got a bit more going on with her too. Here's the current punchlist.

  • Add working air hoses using modified HO MagnaLock components
  • Replace the headlight lens
  • Detail cab interior
  • Repaint cab interior
  • Significantly darken the cab light (it would be a lantern: there's no onboard electricity)
  • Repaint the bright brass appliances to a darker more realistic color
  • Add an auxiliary speaker in the smokebox
  • Repaint engineer
  • Rebuild the rear "pilot" beam to fill in the gap left for the toy train couplers
  • Add a rear coupler cut lever
  • Fix the front coupler cut lever chain
  • Add a functional tender deck
  • Add piping between engine and tender
  • Add tender brake rigging
  • Add some tools to the tender deck
  • Add piping to the steam brakes
  • Add auxiliary sandboxes
  • Re-number (potentially)
  • Add pilot lettering
  • Re-decal the tender to use the correct sized lettering
  • Light weathering
  • Add an optional deadrail setup to the tender
  • Add a working bell
  • Replace numberplate
  • Lower the cylinders

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM »
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While the engine continues to be sexy, I've been spending a LOT of time on a project that I keep saying feels like modeling puberty: my ND caboose.



Yes. I could have just built it as it came, but I hope I'll be running it on a layout with significantly larger equipment and so I'm doing some things to prevent it from becoming kindling. That means building the frame out of brass instead of wood. The prototype cars had steel frames, so I feel like it's appropriate. That said, it's been a LOT of work!

First I had to cut the 3/16" brass channel down to the right profile. Thank goodness for the DKS finger removal device!



Then I soldered that to some cross pieces and drilled through them to attach the sill to the body with screws. In this photo you can also see the plastic bolster pattern that I made. I then had to make 8 of those out of brass bar stock. By hand.



I realized this would be crazy without a jig. So I made a jig.



It was still a lot of hand work though!

With those made, it was then time to make the bolster assemblies. As designed, the kit had you make all of this stuff out of wood and just glue it in place. I wanted to be able to easily disassemble the car though so I decided to attach these bolsters together with a cross piece that would then have two screws through it to attach it to the body. I also made the L brackets on these by hand from pieces of C channel since I didn't have any suitable stock around.



Here they are all attached and ready for fitting the journals.



Attaching these to the car wasn't as straight forward as you'd think though. I needed everything to be SOLID. So I attached some brass plate to the top of the floor to give everything a nice solid surface to attach to. All the nuts, however, made it annoying to work on the floor when it was upside down, so I also attached two cross members from some scrap to allow it to lay flat when inverted



Of course, at this point, I ALSO realized that I needed to tackle the end sills (aka, the Berkshire targets) as well. I wanted them physically tied into the underframe, and since you can't (well, at least I can't solder to the steal Kadee coupler pockets) I had to come up with another plan. The sills are more of the cut down C channel too.



Ok. Next up was attaching the journals. I really wish there would've been a way to screw these to the bolsters, but there's just not enough meat there, so soldering it was. These required a very light touch to get right because they're white metal that melts at a nice low temp.



Ok. Those weren't so bad. But this is the point at which I learned my lesson about my new soldering iron and that aforementioned low melting temperature of white metal castings...



Don't miss the highlights on that one: the solder used to fill in where I melted the casting AND the brass strip I had to use to completely replace the mounting surface I melted off. Whoops.

I've since cleaned that up a little bit to get everything centered up. The good news with this stuff is that you can reheat the solder and make adjustments.  I've been doing quite a bit of learning as I go here and I luckily discovered that if I need to redo these, the castings are available. I've intentionally engineered replaceability into much of the car's improvements so that I can rectify past "oopses" as my skills improve.

Eventually, victory was realized. Here's the car all up on her wheels and actually looking like something for the first time!



It makes a smart looking little turn of the century train, if I do say so myself.



In the next installment of "Ed learns what it means to be a model railroader": how to repair a melted irreplaceable cupola casting. Stay tuned!

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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2020, 07:29:48 PM »
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Re: O WTF am I doing?
« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2020, 09:14:49 PM »
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Oh man. I have been SLACKING on this thread!

First, an update on Vivian.

Here's the inside of the tender with the new decoder installed. Pleasantly, there's still room for deadrail equipment down the road too.

This install also includes a TCS Super Bass speaker. I plan on adding another smaller one in the smokebox too, but it was out of stock on my last supplies order.

(Attachment Link)

I also wasn't happy with the color of the smokebox. Smokebox paint (at least in this era) isn't really "paint" but is graphite suspended in oil. While the existing color seems plausible in that regard, I think it simply looks better being lighter, especially as a background for future soot. This was Tamiya "flat aluminum" with which I'm pretty happy.

(Attachment Link)

I think I might it get one more coat before I call it done.

I've got a bit more going on with her too. Here's the current punchlist.

  • Add working air hoses using modified HO MagnaLock components
  • Replace the headlight lens
  • Detail cab interior
  • Repaint cab interior
  • Significantly darken the cab light (it would be a lantern: there's no onboard electricity)
  • Repaint the bright brass appliances to a darker more realistic color
  • Add an auxiliary speaker in the smokebox
  • Repaint engineer
  • Rebuild the rear "pilot" beam to fill in the gap left for the toy train couplers
  • Add a rear coupler cut lever
  • Fix the front coupler cut lever chain
  • Add a functional tender deck
  • Add piping between engine and tender
  • Add tender brake rigging
  • Add some tools to the tender deck
  • Add piping to the steam brakes
  • Add auxiliary sandboxes
  • Re-number (potentially)
  • Add pilot lettering
  • Re-decal the tender to use the correct sized lettering
  • Light weathering
  • Add an optional deadrail setup to the tender
  • Add a working bell
  • Replace numberplate
  • Lower the cylinders


@Ed Kapuscinski you missed something for the list.

You know what it is.
  • Strip and repaint tender
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