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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2019, 08:45:21 PM »
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Ed's Era would be more like this unit, some with lots of LV red bleeding through the blue...
Can't get much more LV red bleed-through than this: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/522716

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2019, 10:35:31 PM »
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You need a pair of sharks.

This, and PAs too!

Ed, I have an extra copy of Thunder and Lightning Stripes, Free for a PM of your address.
I do have a copy of Bridge Line Blues 1976 to 1986, Cheep, make me an offer.
Also, A Decade of the D&H, which is a softbound 1967 to 1977, if you are interested. Also cheep
You cannot, for any price, have my copy of Jim Shaughnessy's DELAWARE & HUDSON.

I grew up next to the D&H Penn Division in South Scranton until 1967, I know, before what you're looking for,
but a VERY cool NE Railroad.
Be careful , it's a very deep rabbit hole, but a very interesting one.

Let me know,

Greg O.

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2019, 11:01:41 PM »
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Quote from: learmoia on August 20, 2019, 08:10:54 PM
. . . linger longer . . .

Try to say that 10 times fast.  :D

When I used to roam the B&M (um, Guilford) yard in Somerville, MA in the mid-80s, I recall seeing some D&H GP 38-2 mixed with the B&M locos.
linger longer . . .
linger longer . . .
linger longer . . .
linger longer . . .
Lincoln Logger....DAMNIT!

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2019, 11:03:26 PM »
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You need a pair of sharks.
with lasers?

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2019, 01:17:03 AM »
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Unfortunately the Sharks and PAs had been sold on before 1980, though the four PAs did run together in freight service before they were retired, usually in <<>> lashups. C628s were also retired around the same time.

Stock Atlas GP39-2 RDG 3402 patched to D&H 7402...
...the decals used for this one were an HO number for the 7, don't know which one exactly, and the Tichy D&H/C&O hopper set for the actual patches.

The exact decal set I got for this patch was Tichy 10147N, in case anyone wants to try it for themselves. I do not know where the 7 came from, I will attempt to ask my friend who did the patch for me.

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2019, 05:15:20 PM »
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This caption says this U18B is on train PYME. I think that would be Potomac Yard to Mechanicville. Assuming the 1983 date is correct this is after the B&M/MEC merger into Guilford but before they bought the D&H. It would add some nice yellow to your train!
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3032640

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2019, 05:54:13 PM »
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Don't know exactly what you are aiming for in terms of sticking exactly to the prototype or not, but here is a fun lashup, with available equipment given some of the details above:

This first one is all Atlas GP units. Going through each one:

Stock Atlas GP39-2 7610. These units were delivered to the D&H shortly before CR day 1. For the GP39-2s, the 76xx series was built new for D&H, 74xx series is ex-RDG. 7610 is one number off from being cab signal equipped (of course), but depending on how much you want to stick exactly to the prototype, you can say it has cab signals. If you do decide to change the number, large logo lightning stripe may be appropriate, check prototype photos to see if any locos in your number scheme were repainted.

Stock Atlas GP38-2 7319. This one was released several years ago, and it is hard(er) to find, siblings 7317 & 7318 are just as difficult. These are ex-LV units received from the CR merger. Blue was applied randomly as they went in for major shopping. They did not, as far as I can tell, carry lightning stripe until they were renumbered in the early 90s.

Stock Atlas GP39-2 RDG 3402 patched to D&H 7402. The ex-Reading GP39-2 units were in various paint schemes by the mid 80s, 7412 is a good one, as it was never repainted, just patched. The decals used for this one were an HO number for the 7, don't know which one exactly, and the Tichy D&H/C&O hopper set for the actual patches. A friend of mine in my club patched it for me, so I am unsure of how exactly the job was done. If you would like more detail photos of this one, I can upload some.

Stock Atlas GP38-2 LV 310. Haven't gotten around to patching this one yet. Also holding out hope for LV 322, as that one actually went to D&H (310 went to CR). Either way, the ex-LV GP38-2 units were painted more so than the RDG ones, so check to make sure that the number you choose to patch was not repainted by your modeling date.

Finally, stock Atlas GP39-2 7603. Basically the same description as 7610 mentioned above.

That is just one wacko lashup you could possibly have modeling the D&H at this time period, I specifically model 1981. The later you go, the more foreign power you will get, primarily Guilford roads, MEC, BM, etc..., but also BAR, NW (also leased pre CR), CR (GE B23-7/B36-7 is what I have seen the most in photos), etc..., depending on what was on lease at the time.

Don't waste your time patching LV 310.   Not only is it a GP38 instead of a GP38-2, the paint scheme was different between the GP38AC's and GP38-2's



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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2019, 11:17:16 PM »
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As others had mentioned the Sharks and six-axle freighters were gone in 1978. The MBTA leased the PAs in 1978 but once returned to the D&H later that year they were sold to NdeM.

The last post of this thread indicates the consists of the D&H/Guilford PY trains were always Geeps.

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,1058777

A great photo resource for D&H/early Guilford locomotive roster and weathering shots is the GreatRails North American Railroad Photo Archive. Since it is a sub-site of the New England Rail Photo Archive, the photos are mostly from the New England/upstate NY area. There are some pictures of PY symbol trains, but again the vast majority of them are in NE/NY.

http://photos.greatrails.net/search/
http://photos.nerail.org

These Flickr photostreams/groups have great "back in the day" D&H pics.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/1156312@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/albums/72157680759047593

From all of that, I gather the majority of Potomac-bound/-leaving D&H trains consisted of ex-Reading GP39-2s and ex-Lehigh Valley GP38-2s due to the need for cab signals. The dog's breakfast lashups from up north were taken off somewhere in NY or PA. However, there are a couple of pictures of Potomac-bound trains with U23Bs and early Guilford GP40s in the lashup. If you need excuses to run an oddball in the consist, here they are!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/guitartrain/24458312439/in/photolist-Dgifb4-WfU64y-5T47AS-UKF7ed-7HVKUN-2fM8veo-Db5bJ9-24p3tAS-2648m6Q-GzmTJo-2gbN6ag

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/48036201533/in/photolist-Dgifb4-WfU64y-5T47AS-UKF7ed-7HVKUN-2fM8veo-Db5bJ9-24p3tAS-2648m6Q-GzmTJo-2gbN6ag

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124159081@N07/24490563168/in/photolist-WfU64y-qR95ZY-5T47AS-Dj9xc7-JkU3xC-ZmLfNY-2gB7Tbd-ihwKfw-HRfXV2-22z2xbX-HCYoT2-ByCcky


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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2019, 07:23:06 AM »
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Early Guilford

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2019, 09:46:44 AM »
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D&H subsidiary Napierville Junction Railway ran into CP's St. Luc yard.  I'm totally stoked Bluford Car Shops produced NJ bi-centennial transfer van #39 to go with my Atlas U23B.  :D

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2019, 12:50:44 PM »
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This takes me back...  Ex L&HR Alcos in Harrisburg, GP39s on the corridor (running alongside paint out GG1s in freight service and E60s on long haul varnish...)

I have to be alone for a moment...

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2019, 01:58:54 PM »
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This, and PAs too!

Ed, I have an extra copy of Thunder and Lightning Stripes, Free for a PM of your address.
I do have a copy of Bridge Line Blues 1976 to 1986, Cheep, make me an offer.
Also, A Decade of the D&H, which is a softbound 1967 to 1977, if you are interested. Also cheep
You cannot, for any price, have my copy of Jim Shaughnessy's DELAWARE & HUDSON.

I grew up next to the D&H Penn Division in South Scranton until 1967, I know, before what you're looking for,
but a VERY cool NE Railroad.
Be careful , it's a very deep rabbit hole, but a very interesting one.

Let me know,

Greg O.

Geez, you know it's been a busy week when I missed this!

Yes, I will take you up on the offer. Give me a minute to figure out a fair offer.

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2019, 02:26:33 PM »
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Let me tell ya sister, I've thought about it. I've definitely thought about it.

But not yet. I need to focus on the plausible first.

In the same "stretch"I have seen a picture of a still very nice PA-4 in a shop in NY state ( I think )  dated 1978 . That's close to 1980 and what a beautifull engine in blue !!!
Thanks ,
Louis



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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2019, 06:26:04 PM »
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Geez, you know it's been a busy week when I missed this!

Yes, I will take you up on the offer. Give me a minute to figure out a fair offer.

I'm not interested in making money off of them, so to help you decide, Just PM me your address and I'll send the books. You can keep the Thunder and Lightning Stripes, and send me either the others back or what ever you think is good, this way, you can enjoy the books while your thinking!

Greg O.

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Re: Teach me about the D&H in the 80s
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2020, 02:43:25 PM »
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Ed,

Did you find all the answers to your questions? 

In 1983-86 I'd go to the BWI station and watch the parade of E-60's, AEM-7's and would occasionally catch a Guilford train running down the NEC sometime after 4pm.  It was a sight to behold.  They would be routed down the Port Road and then the NEC all the way to Benning, then jump over the river pass thru DC and end up in Pot Yard.  I never saw an Alco unit on those trains.  After Chase in 1987, the D&H was pushed over to the B&O from Philly down to Pot yard and the trains usually had Conrail power.  Seeing a D&H lightening stripe locomotive was pretty rare by 1990 as it was mainly Guilford grey and orange or Conrail blue.

I am in the planning stages of an N scale layout which models the Susquehanna Division between Oneonta and Binghamton (staging).  At Nineveh, the layout follows the Penn Division to Hudson Yard (staging) just outside Wilkes-Barre.  It will include a section of the former Erie EL main at Lanesboro and the connection at Jefferson Jct which will go to Binghamton (staging).  the time frame is slightly before what you are interested in; 1979 to 1981.  I think you are mainly interested in the Guilford era as it dovetails nicely with Conrail in 1985.

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