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Gozer the Gozerian

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NYC 12-1 Pullman
« on: August 12, 2019, 04:55:45 PM »
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Hey all,

Doing research on our 142, 12-1 in Pullman Green and gold livery.  Can't seem to locate any pictures but have plenty of what they became when sold to Mexico.  Any help would be much appreciated...a photo would be fantastic.  I have a list of cars that they used, but my resources come up nil in the photo category.

Thanks a ton

Joe
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2019, 05:32:18 PM »
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Have you tried contacting the NYCS historical society?
https://nycshs.org/contact-us/
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 05:07:33 AM »
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I tried to send you a PM with a photo scan along with painting and lettering information, but I can't tell if it was transmitted. A review  of my extensive NYC library turned up only one photo of a 12-1. Surprising, as the NYC had 137 of these. The photo can be found on page 278 of "Thoroughbreds" by Alvin Staufer.
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2019, 05:32:29 AM »
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2019, 05:41:14 AM »
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No - that is an Erie single window coach.
A 12-1 can be recognized by the distinctive six pairs of double windows at the center of the car.
The letterboard would read "PULLMAN"
Mike
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2019, 07:22:04 AM »
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My scan of "Churchville" is now in the gallery. Search on "NYC 12-1"
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2019, 09:21:46 AM »
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Quote from: NYC1956 on August 21, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
No - that is an Erie single window coach.
A 12-1 can be recognized by the distinctive six pairs of double windows at the center of the car.
The letterboard would read "PULLMAN"
Mike

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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2019, 10:25:11 AM »
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Quote from: NYC1956 on August 21, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
No - that is an Erie single window coach.
A 12-1 can be recognized by the distinctive six pairs of double windows at the center of the car.
The letterboard would read "PULLMAN"
Mike

When I looked at the link, it showed an Erie coach in the first picture, and a second picture of a Pullman sleeper.  But, the Pullman is not a 12-1.  It looks like an 8-something.
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2019, 12:26:33 PM »
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I overlooked another of my sources - The 20th Century Limited by Karl Zimmerman.
On page 46 is a series of pictures showing the entire consist of a mid-1920s TCL pulled by a K-3 Pacific.
In it there are four 12-1s.
Mike
UPDATE-CORRECTION: The caption incorrectly stated these were 12-1 cars.
In reality they are Plan 2411C which are 12-1-1, so these are of no help to the original poster.
Anyway, by 1937 three were converted to Plan 4060 (6-6) and one to a tourist car in 1942.
Mike
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Re: NYC 12-1 Pullman
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2019, 02:01:42 PM »
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