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Re: Atlas 40 and 50 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2019, 09:18:25 PM »
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I believe both of these models are rebuilds though - shortened 40's and lengthened 53's. Not new builds. So none of them would be before the 2000s.

Where did you hear that?

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Re: Atlas 40 and 50 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2019, 10:00:17 PM »
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I believe both of these models are rebuilds though - shortened 40's and lengthened 53's. Not new builds. So none of them would be before the 2000s.

Confirming my recollection that the 53ft AP Husky Stack has been built new by Gunderson:

https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/north-america-rail/intermodal/53-all-purpose-double-stack-car/

What I don't know is when they were first built.

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Re: Atlas 40 and 50 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2019, 10:33:45 PM »
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Where did you hear that?

The wells were first advertised as being "rebuilds" for the 53'ers too:

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43088.0

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3038357

Once someone has one in hand maybe they can post a photo of the area to see.... unless @Atlas Paul can advise if a production change was made.
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2019, 12:56:30 AM »
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The word 'rebuild' no longer appears associated with the 53ft cars on Atlas' website.  It appears that was a mistake in the earlier marketing material.

Per railcar photos the FEC series that Atlas did were:
"FEC series 71125-71184, from MCER series 5270-5289 built by Greenbrier (Gunderson plant), Job 9278, Mar-01. Built as three-unit drawbar-equipped Husky Stack AP (AAR Type S630); changed to single-unit (AAR Type S610) when they became FEC."
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=5376
Note the photographer.   :lol:

That car is clearly not a rebuilt.  I cannot figure out when FEC bought them from MCER.

I have another source that conflicts somewhat but it is less detailed and probably wrong where it differs. 

I've not found anything to date any of these cars 53ft AP cars back to the nineties.  My previous guess on that appears incorrect, although 2001 is getting close. 

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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2019, 02:05:34 AM »
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Pssst...

Just ordered some Atlas single 53s from Fifer Hobby...very limited quantities left. GOOD LUCK!
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2019, 07:53:52 AM »
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That car is clearly not a rebuilt.  I cannot figure out when FEC bought them from MCER.

After July 2001:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-m/mcer5282adl.jpg

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I've not found anything to date any of these cars 53ft AP cars back to the nineties.  My previous guess on that appears incorrect, although 2001 is getting close.

The first of the "production" 53' wells, of any configuration, did not begin until early 1999.

The 2001 built FEC 53' AP wells (FEC60000-60124) were delivered as 3-unit draw-barred sets, but were seperated into individual cars within 2003.

The FEC / MCER cars may be the only new built AP cars. Both the TTX and SMW's are stretched from the 48 APs.

SMW
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=95747
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=87654

SMW series 210250-210649, from CRLE series 5000-5399 built by Gunderson, Lot ___, Nov-Dec 1993. Originally built as 48-foot well cars, later stretched to 53-foot and renumbered to SMW series

TTX
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=74600
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=82748
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=66516

DTTX series 471400-471999, from DTTX series 427370-427680 built by Gunderson, Lot ___, Mar-May 1995. Built as 48 'wells, stretched to 53', classed GW13SF.


So...certainly a mixed bag.
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2019, 01:10:42 PM »
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Pssst...

Just ordered some Atlas single 53s from Fifer Hobby...very limited quantities left. GOOD LUCK!
Thank you! Just got a pair of TTX 53s!

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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2019, 02:17:12 PM »
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I just got mine in today, beautiful models.
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2019, 02:33:57 PM »
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Thank you! Just got a pair of TTX 53s!

You must have gotten the last ones! I bought two TTXs as well. After I bought mine, there were one each left! Also bought one FEC.
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2019, 07:39:08 PM »
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Got mine also.  Lovely models, now lets see how they roll (after I get further along with a three-building scratch project!).
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2019, 11:11:38 PM »
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Hmmm... my MBK order for several 53's - placed TUESDAY still shows "awaiting fulfillment"

My order for 2 40's placed Wednesday is in the Newark USPS facility, almost here...


Seems odd...

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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2019, 08:22:11 AM »
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Received all of the Atlas 40' and 53' TTX red lettered well cars that I ordered from MB Klein on Saturday.

During a precursory look at each of the newly released models a few observations were made:

These are very high quality models with crisp lettering, factory installed brake lines on each end of the body, body mounted operating knuckle couplers that are attached to the draft boxes by screwed on cover plates, and smooth backed CNC milled chemically blackened metal wheel-sets.

Unlike those that are found on Kato's Maxi I and IV well car sets, the hand-grabs are open and not partially filled in castings.

The etched stainless steel walkways are perforated clear through, without any partially blocked holes.

Retained by a pair of small pins that are located on the undersides of the factory installed parts, both the 40' and 53' models have removable fifth wheel plates that are pressed into the main body casting.

The 40' TTX Forwarding Thinking cars have yellow fifth wheel plates, while the TTX red lettered 53' models have black ones.

Metal bodied, empty, the 40' cars weigh .60 onces and the 53' versions are .80 onces.

After finding several of them loose and few of them rotated out of their normal position, as they appear to be simply pressed into the car-body and not retained with any kind of adhesive, I suggest carefully inspecting the installation of stirrup step/hand-grab castings on these models.

Did come across one missing fifth wheel plate that was not found loose in the plastic jewel-box.

Cut down from the 48' AP cars remember? The TTX lost their their hitches during the rebuild.

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=42499.msg536693#msg536693

Trailer limited to 42' length, 2x 28's probably don't fit, so yeah a single 28' probably the most common trailer seen in the 40' cars.

Just for kicks, I placed a pair of Athearn 28' Wedge Trailers into an 40' Atlas rebuilt well car and verified that this is simply not feasible.

so why did Atlas add hitches or can they be removed?

While the hitch plates are removable, the two pairs of mounts that are cast into the body casting would need to be ground or filed down and the modified area would need to be touched up with a suitable color of paint.

The wells were first advertised as being "rebuilds" for the 53'ers too:

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43088.0

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3038357

Once someone has one in hand maybe they can post a photo of the area to see.... unless @Atlas Paul can advise if a production change was made.

Although the underside of the 53' cars has eight holes and two diagonal braces within a pair of unusually shaped cutouts that are seen towards the lower end of the car body, the sides of the model are smooth, with no visible (simulated) weld seams.
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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2019, 10:59:18 AM »
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I was able to get some FEC 53's thru Lombard hobby after HOGNtrainz did not get enough to fill last minute placed orders. Will pick them up at the convention. The 40's look sweet and have some heft to them. Noticed the brake hoses also, very nice job by Atlas on this one!

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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2019, 12:52:26 PM »
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  So far walthers 40' fits with excess, deluxe 2 20' with excess and deluxe 40' with excess!  They got some weight to them also.  Trainworx 28' ups and 40' trailers fit as well!  I'm liking them more and more!

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Re: Atlas 40 and 53 Foot Rebuilt Well Cars Have Finally Arrived
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2019, 07:35:25 PM »
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While the hitch plates are removable, the two pairs of mounts that are cast into the body casting would need to be ground or filed down and the modified area would need to be touched up with a suitable color of paint.

Thanks for the thoughts Neville. The mounts can probably stay in place and be weathered:
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=66516

The missing seams are more problematic.....
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