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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2019, 01:16:27 PM »
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On a side note:
RailSmith has announced the PRR Stoney Rapids. GREAT. I wonder why Kato never made this car. AFAIK it travelled on the CoSF.
But on which train did it travel between Chicago and the east coast?
According to info in the following link, Stoney Rapids was assigned to New York-to-Los Angeles transcontinental sleeper service west of Chicago on the UP City of Los Angeles and east of Chicago on the PRR Golden Arrow (westbound) and the Manhattan Limited (eastbound).
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38269

Kato did make a model of the Tippecanoe Rapids, which had the same assignments.

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2019, 01:27:23 PM »
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What’s the significance of Stoney Rapids?  Kato made the Rapids prototype for the Broadway, which can be repainted. They did the hard part already in tooling the model.
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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2019, 01:59:00 PM »
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@colddriver

Can you PLEASE show us the other side? That's where the important difference between 4140 and 4140C is.

   Javier


Didn't the "C" indicate a berth fro a conductor? Which, externally, meant an extra window at one end on one side.
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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2019, 03:16:28 PM »
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Didn't the "C" indicate a berth fro a conductor? Which, externally, meant an extra window at one end on one side.

Actually, on the 4140C, that window was in the middle. Walthers didn't model that window.

   Javier

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2019, 04:28:25 PM »
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According to info in the following link, Stoney Rapids was assigned to New York-to-Los Angeles transcontinental sleeper service west of Chicago on the UP City of Los Angeles and east of Chicago on the PRR Golden Arrow (westbound) and the Manhattan Limited (eastbound).
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38269

Kato did make a model of the Tippecanoe Rapids, which had the same assignments.


The problem being, of course, that the Tippecanoe Rapids was a 10-6, and not the car Kato used, which is a 6-6-4. 
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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2019, 05:50:20 PM »
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The problem being, of course, that the Tippecanoe Rapids was a 10-6, and not the car Kato used, which is a 6-6-4.
Kato's "model railroad consultant" must have slipped up or been asleep.

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2019, 05:05:19 AM »
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Repainting any PRR in UP passenger colors is difficult because there aren't the right PRR lettering styles in UP Red. There was (is) one set like that, but it's not for the 10-6 sleepers. I wanted to paint up some N&W pool cars in PRR colors but nobody made N&W lettering style in Pennsy yellow.

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2019, 07:50:39 AM »
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I wanted to paint up some N&W pool cars in PRR colors but nobody made N&W lettering style in Pennsy yellow.

N&W pool cars were lettered for ... N&W (with PRR style striping though)

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=108319

They were in N&W red.

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2019, 06:22:44 PM »
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Repainting any PRR in UP passenger colors is difficult because there aren't the right PRR lettering styles in UP Red. There was (is) one set like that, but it's not for the 10-6 sleepers. I wanted to paint up some N&W pool cars in PRR colors but nobody made N&W lettering style in Pennsy yellow.

...and repainting is not even necessary for those of us modeling prior to 1955; the 10-6's ran in their home road colors in the LA Limited (and the Chief) for most of their careers. That, along with NYC and other cars, made the consists interesting, if not "pure".
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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2019, 10:41:46 PM »
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Lots of good info on all the connecting road cars here:
http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-non-up.php

PRR cars are listed about 3/4 of the way down the page.
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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2019, 03:19:23 AM »
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N&W pool cars were lettered for ... N&W (with PRR style striping though)

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=108319

They were in N&W red.

Mark

OOps ... sorry. It's some L&N pool cars that were painted in Pennsy colors but lettered for L&N.

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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2019, 07:56:43 AM »
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Buffalo Rapids (Doug Nelson):


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Re: Rail Smith Empire Builder cars
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2019, 08:02:05 AM »
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OOps ... sorry. It's some L&N pool cars that were painted in Pennsy colors but lettered for L&N.
Both the fluted and smoothside cars are correct for L&N.
Early in life, they were indeed in Pennsy colors, Barren River, Green River and Kentucky River, and used the same lettering style, but with Louisville & Nashville spelled out on the letterboard.  They were repainted later on (c. 1958-1960) with the "Palmer script" lettering and dark blue to match the Georgian and Hummingbird sleepers-
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/ln3411.jpg

The also had 2 fluted cars, Mobile River and Pearl River, that worked in the Southern pool for the Crescent.  These cars were stainless steel exterior and used a "gothic" type lettering that to my eye is similar to that used by C&EI.  Walthers produced the L&N fluted cars.
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