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tehachapifan

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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 02:13:05 PM »
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I'm not sure measuring a factory-installed decoder would tell us anything solid about dimensions of the V5's. IIRC, the decoder in the Atlas S2 doesn't not resemble any of the current aftermarket boards.



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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 02:24:44 PM »
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Well, that is an interesting picture.  That is a V4/Select decoder, with the Next18.  The "7" would indicate it is a Select.

I just noticed on the ESU site that they state on the V5 Micro: "With a footprint of 21mm x 10 mm it is by far the smallest LokSound decoder, which we have ever built."  I guess we will have to wait and see.

The ESU site now has the first US sound project for V5 posted EMD645-E3.   The project is now 25MB (with 32 bit sound).
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 02:51:12 PM »
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...The ESU site now has the first US sound project for V5 posted EMD645-E3.   The project is now 25MB (with 32 bit sound).


Glad to see we're getting flange squeal with the V5, which is noticeably absent in my Selects....at least with industrial/local/tight curve ops. That said, I might get tired of pushing a button for it. Maybe the V6 might be able to detect slight resistance in a sharp curve, triggering flange squeal. ;)

Also, it looks like they still have a typo(?) carried over from the Select sound file description for the EMD 16-cyl 645E3, which is listing the SD45T-2 instead of the SD40T-2. The SD45T-2 had 20 cylinders.

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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 04:25:47 PM »
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Glad to see we're getting flange squeal with the V5, which is noticeably absent in my Selects....at least with industrial/local/tight curve ops. That said, I might get tired of pushing a button for it. Maybe the V6 might be able to detect slight resistance in a sharp curve, triggering flange squeal. ;)

Also, it looks like they still have a typo(?) carried over from the Select sound file description for the EMD 16-cyl 645E3, which is listing the SD45T-2 instead of the SD40T-2. The SD45T-2 had 20 cylinders.

Yeah, I hated those 20 pot EMD’s  with a passion when working on the 645 series years ago. 
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2019, 11:38:14 AM »
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The other "problem" with the Next18 method is the orientation.  The connector on the decoder is perpendicular to the rails, so the decoder would be hanging out over the side of the frame in one direction if trying to attach on a 73100-like board! We are still going to need a long-skinny board design for the narrow hoods in n-scale.

I wonder if the end-of-life components are also on the new 73100/199 boards?  Since they are relatively new, could they have already incorporated the replacements?  One reason why these boards are not being withdrawn, as well.

Hi Rick,
I don’t think the orientation of the next18 connecter being perpendicular would be a problem on a narrow 73100-like board in itself.  The width of that board at its widest is 8.1mm (and could be made a little wider) and the next18 connector is 7.3mm wide, at least that’s what it is on my esu decoder tester. 

Guess we wait and see what Matt has to say about it, after all Atlas and Intermountain have already redesigned there loco frames to accept these 73100/73199 and the lokpilot of similar footprint boards.

 That’s why I’m thinking even if the current 73100/73199 and similar shaped lokpilot go away Atlas And Intermountain could just redo their dc boards that fit these locos to incorporate a next18 connector like scale trains has.
If it all pans out that way then that speaker space above the rear truck will go away too.
I guess we wait and see what develops.
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2019, 01:09:26 PM »
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Steve,

Not that one couldn't fit a Next18 onto a 73100-style board, BUT the orientation of it on the decoder you are going to plug into that connector!
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2019, 03:57:37 PM »
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Please remember, the Next18 standard does not only define the plug, but also the space for the decoder and conform the standard, the width of the Next18 sound version is 10.5 mm. I doubt that ESU as a European manufacturer is going to divert from the official standard and create a ‘new’ version.

For those who want to know, conform the NEM662 standard the maximum dimensions of a Next18 (no sound) decoder are 15 x 9.5 x 2.9 mm and for a Next18S decoder 25 x 10.5 x 4.1 mm.

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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 11:49:23 PM »
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Glad to see we're getting flange squeal with the V5, which is noticeably absent in my Selects....at least with industrial/local/tight curve ops. That said, I might get tired of pushing a button for it. Maybe the V6 might be able to detect slight resistance in a sharp curve, triggering flange squeal. ;)

Also, it looks like they still have a typo(?) carried over from the Select sound file description for the EMD 16-cyl 645E3, which is listing the SD45T-2 instead of the SD40T-2. The SD45T-2 had 20 cylinders.

You know I was thinking about this and I think flange squeal would be best for a stationary circuit under the layout that detects motion over a track curve. Or you could toss a few flange squeal circuits in a few boxcar stay detect movement of the truck bolsters to set it off. I think either would work better and less aggravating than mashing a button while trying to run a train or two.

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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2019, 06:10:07 PM »
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ESU listed 2 more sound files for the V5's; the EMD 12-cyl 710G3A and EMD 12-cyl 710G3A HEP which is appropriate for the F59PHI.

Also, I just loaded LokProgrammer 5. While it may take a while to learn, this looks like it's going to be a lot of fun to play around with! :D
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2019, 01:42:20 AM »
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So which decoder would we need to use for the hardwired kind to replace the 73800? I'm having trouble figuring it out.


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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2019, 03:01:51 AM »
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So which decoder would we need to use for the hardwired kind to replace the 73800? I'm having trouble figuring it out.
I'm guessing the 58820 would be the one. They are all the same decoder but with different adapters to the next18 interface. The 58820 goes to an 8 pin wired plug that you could cut off for hard wiring
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2019, 09:18:39 AM »
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Agree.

Use the 58820 for hard wiring. 

What we don't know until we get one in our hands is what the actual width and depth (with the adapter cable installed) will be.  From the looks of photos, I'm guessing that the overall depth will still be constrained by larger components at one end of the board, which means the 3.8mm reported at various sites is probably correct.  For width, there seems to be some disagreement between sources on the web, with the German manual reporting 10.6mm but retailers reporting 10mm. 

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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2019, 10:40:26 AM »
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So which decoder would we need to use for the hardwired kind to replace the 73800? I'm having trouble figuring it out.

Probably the ESU 58820 - NEM652 8-pin Wired Plug version.  Speculation is that it's just the Next18 version with a wired plug but we won't know until they ship.  I have several on order from Bryan at Streamlined Backshop (https://store.sbs4dcc.com/LokSound5Micro.aspx) but he's still waiting for them to arrive from ESU (As of this past Sunday when I emailed him).

FYI, he also mentioned that Matt Herman said there will be a V5 version of the 73100 and 73199 as soon as they run out of inventory on the current model.  Apparently there is a backstock.  Maybe because of all the Atlas and IM locos that are delayed due to the factory problems.  the Select Micro (73800, etc) are out of stock at ESU now so all that is available is what is in dealer inventory.
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2019, 03:25:20 PM »
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There's a current thread on Facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/1845287662452221/permalink/2169739210007063/ ) in which it's being said that the V5 Micros are being delayed significantly with no ETA given for a resolution.  Hopefully the October 2019 date doesn't turn out to be the correct date.

Quote from: Lee Ryan (Facebook user)
I have been told by ESU numerous times now that there are NO MORE SELECTS! This means V4's too of course since the Select is made from the V4. Whatever is left in stock at dealers is the last of the V4's and Selects. They are GONE from ESU's inventory. It is all V5 now.
Then I was told by ESU directly that there was a production issue with the V5 Micros and they will be significantly delayed with no ETA. This affects the 58820 and the 58821. The 58420 and 58429 are not affected and should start shipping as soon as the quick start guides are completed. I was told that would be this week....not sure if that actually happened. Might have to squeeze a regular V5 (58420) into locomotives that a V5 Direct was planned for.

The 58820 is the 8-pin wired and the 58821 is the AT adapter board version.  They did not mention the Next18 version (58828) but I imagine it has the same problem - whatever it is.
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Re: New LokSound V.5 replaces Select, old V.4
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2019, 03:49:23 PM »
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Ugh
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