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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #750 on: April 13, 2020, 06:35:03 PM »
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No, they're the phosphor bronze pick up strips on the trucks, which have as feeder wire soldered to them.  It's a notorious design flaw of these locomotives.  As they navigate around the twists and turns of your track plan, especially looping endlessly for hours, the wire flexes back and forth with the pivoting of the truck and over time the wire breaks.

It's one of the reason so many of those excellent 5 pole Lifelike motors have made themselves available for repower projects of other models. 

What's interesting is that this is the same set up Roco used for years, as well as in most of the other LL lead sleds, but I've never had as much trouble with wires breaking as I've had with the GP38.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #751 on: April 13, 2020, 07:21:20 PM »
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You might try replacing that one wire with three or four much finer wires. The larger wire has larger strands that can't withstand the flexing as much.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #752 on: April 13, 2020, 10:48:36 PM »
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But then there's today's newly arrived distraction. 


A 1968 Parkway F9, by Arnold Rapido.  I've now got three of these models, but this one is the only Parkway, and it's in the home road!
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #753 on: April 18, 2020, 01:17:51 PM »
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I'm eagerly awaiting my Peteski Pack, as well as another gem mined from deep in someone's retro collection.  I just saw the mail truck zip by on its way out of the neighborhood, but alas, I've promised to finish a couple of work deadlines before I can commence with playtime...  Better get off the 'wire for a bit and get some designing done...

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #754 on: April 19, 2020, 04:24:55 AM »
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When Lee send me that Bachmann E60 truck for repair, he "volunteered" me to take a look at his vintage Bachmann 2-8-2.  The main problem was that one of the front driver wheels kept falling out of the axle tube, but some other things also needed attention, and since I was going to take it apart, I figured that I would take care of them all.  Lee already wired the tender for electric pickup - that goes a long way for improving running characteristics of this model.

I examined the model apart before disassembly.  I found unusual that the gears visible on the bottom of the model looked like they were made from transparent material.  That was odd, as most Bachmann gears are made from milky-color Nylon.  I gently pulled on the front wheel Lee described as problematic, and sure enough, it came right off. The axle had a some sort of glue buildup, so the previous owner tried to glue that axle into the axle tube, but since the axle tube was covered in grease, the glue didn't hold.


Lees2-8-2Disassembled01.jpg
I fully disassembled the loco. When I take models apart I like to keep all the parts in the original locations, especially steam loco models, and even more importantly for well-worn crappy steam locos.  :)  I arrange parts on a Styrofoam tray, pushing some parts into the tray so they remain in place.




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I also washed all the parts in Naphtha in an ultrasonic cleaner.  That's when I was in for a surprise!  When the driver axle/gears dried they were no longer clear.  When the grease was removed they suddenly showed a very familiar surface finish.  These were not original Bachmann Nylon gears. They were 3D printed in FUD!  They had the telltale whitish areas where the wax supports were present during printing.  So the previous owner of this model replaced all the original gears!  Probably because they were all cracked.




Lees2-8-2FUD_Gears02.jpg
But even 3D printed replacement gears did not stand up to the sloppy Bachmann tolerances of the metal axles, because this one cracked too.




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I repaired that cracked gear by installing a brass collar on it. I also put collars on the other three, so they will not crack on Lee later.  For more details on making those collars see https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=49440




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As the collar increased diameter of the axle tube, I had to drill out the locos frame to gain clearance.




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The motor installed in this loco was not the original motor. It was a also a Bachmann motor, but it was smaller and shorter than the original one, so it wasn't being properly retained between the frame and the weight. I noticed that one side of the motor had a threaded hole.  Sometimes it pays to be a bit of a hoarder: I save all sorts of small fasteners from items I throw out (like old laptops or old electronics). Sifting through my semi-organized collection of screws, I just happened to find a short screw with the right thread.  I added styrene shim to the motor cradle to properly line up the worm, and drilled a mounting hole for the motor.




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Next, I test-fit the motor for proper mesh with the worm gear (worm gear was removed before taking the picture). I also installed a 00-90 screw with a larger washer soldered to it into the tender drawbar post.  Lee originally melted the end of the post to permanently couple the tender, but that just wouldn't do it for me.  :)




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Motor and gears installed in the frame.  The gears will mesh properly once the bearing plate and wheels are installed.




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Mechanism is back together with the tender attached.  I soldered short pieces of copper wire to the metal frames to act as solder terminals for the tender wires.  When the time comes to disconnect the tender,  it will be easier to unsolder/solder the wires to those, instead of trying to solder to the larger metal frames which act as big heat-sinks.




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The loco was missing its headlight bulb. I know it is a retro model, but I couldn't resist adding an LED headlight.  So I installed a SMD white LED. In the back of the LED is a regular SMD diode wired in reverse-parallel (to protect the LED from reverse voltage damage). Below the LED is a 1k SMD resistor. I forgot to add a small capacitor in parallel with the LED to prevent it from flickering in reverse due to BEMF from the motor. But the flicker is barely noticeable.  The orange film attached to the LED with epoxy is something I got from Chris333 which changes the color temperature of white LEDs to warm white, so it glows like an incandescent bulb.




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The LED headlight took place of the incandescent bulb.  The original bulb's leads were routed through a plastic insulator in the boiler-weight, and for electrical connection were tucked under screws which hold the front of the driver bearing plates/electrical pickups.  I also routed the LED headlight wires through the plastic insulator, and to facilitate easy disassembly I fabricated phosphor-bronze clips which nicely snap onto those screws that hold the bearing plates.

There were also few more items I addressed:
The crankpin screw hole in one front driver had stripped thread.  It would probably come out eventually.  Since it is screwed into the plastic wheel center, I places a sliver of the same plastic (taken from a scrap Bachmann truck) in the screw hole and screwed the screw in.  Then I heated the screw with a soldering iron until the plastic around it softened and formed a new thread.

The screw inside the smoke stack holding the shell down was missing, and the thread in was also stripped. Nothing was holding the shell to the chassis. I found a replacement screw, and went through the same procedure as I did with the crankpin screw to re-form the thread.




Lees2-8-2Shell.jpg
The previous owner glued lots of pieces of lead all over the loco. The pieces they added in the ashpan/cab area were too thick, interfering with the fit of the cab. I ended up shaving them down until the shell could be easily installed.

The model has a bit of a shimmy, which I think is caused by the front (traction tire equipped) driver. The problem is that the driver's axle bearing openings are so oversize that the axles have too much play. Between them being driven by the gears (with too much lash) and siderods pushing on them, they will wobble.




Lees2-8-2Complete.jpg
The loco was then lubricated, front and rear truck wheels cleaned, and driver treads polished. I have to say that this was a fun and interesting restoration.

E60 truck repair will be covered in my next post.
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #755 on: April 19, 2020, 04:52:56 AM »
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Ok, E60 truck repair write-up will have to wait.
I also donated an old Model Power FA diesel to Lee. It has been sitting in one of my train boxed for over 30 years, and I really had no use for it, so he might as well enjoy another retro rear truck drive model.  I did service it before I shipped it off to Lee.  New wiring was installed using very flexible ZIMO decoder wire, and wheels were cleaned.  Also, the hardened traction tires were replaced with fairly close matching Fleischman TTs. They are a touch thinner, but at least they are still nice and soft.

Also it is not just an ordinary FW with a crappy motor.  I supercharged it by replacing the weak magnet with rare-earth super-magnets!  While still not quite as good as contemporary motors, that improved its torque quite a bit.  So it can be considered a resto-mod model.  :D  I did tape the original magnet inside the jewel case, so it can easily be converted back to stock anemic-running motor.



I did leave the original GOW light bulb in the front which produces a nice warm glow in the headlight, number boards and the empty cab.   :)
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #756 on: April 19, 2020, 12:36:57 PM »
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Thanks for your expert handling of this project.  I've had great fun running the Mike and the FA.  Enthusiastically planning the rebuild of the E60 next!
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #757 on: April 24, 2020, 02:57:33 PM »
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Now Arriving at Retro Union Station, Track 2, the Crescent Limited.  Bound for Charlotte, Atlanta and New Orleans!


Just in time for Virtual Jazz Fest!



https://www.wwoz.org/

Tune in to this year's broadcast of past Jazz Fest great performances, and drop a few coins in the bucket to keep the Guardians of the Groove alive and well during our temporary break in the action...

I just received the Model Power set today.  It probably hails from the early 90s, so not as retro as the Arnold locomotive, which is 1968 vintage.  But it was complete in the original package, including factory air, and loose metal wheelsets to replace the badly rendered plastic pizza cutters that rendered the cars virtually inoperable.  It's gliding along the final leg of the trip with a couple of coaches and a combine, and the Observation Car "Ronald Reagan" bringing up the rear.  I guess I'll need to spring for some Pullmans and a diner, and maybe a mail car or two.

Lee
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #758 on: April 25, 2020, 04:41:52 PM »
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Well... That ended badly. :P

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #759 on: April 25, 2020, 04:44:20 PM »
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #760 on: April 25, 2020, 10:50:02 PM »
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I’m surprised the motor had enough torque to do that.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #761 on: April 26, 2020, 12:40:16 AM »
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I’m surprised the motor had enough torque to do that.

Few Angstroms at a time.  Think Chinese Water Torture.  :)
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #762 on: April 26, 2020, 11:22:40 AM »
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While digging through the parts bin looking for organ donors for the steam project, I decided to poke this guy, which came in a large collection listed as DOA.


A quick schpritz of contact cleaner and some fresh lube, and it's now gliding around the upper loop.
Surprisingly smooth and quiet, and amazingly good pulling power.  Another fine example of the Atlas-Rivarossi partnership of the late 1960s.  And it's always fun to run Penn Central equipment that was produced in the Penn Central era.



Also started running some ballast along the B&O double track.  The color isn't quite what I wanted, but it's what I have on hand, more of the Vintage John's Ballast from the 1970s.

I'll probably go over it with an India ink wash to dirty it up a bit.

Lee
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #763 on: April 26, 2020, 05:59:29 PM »
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I ran into couple of Con-Cor (Rowa) C&O Corrugated Pullman cars on eBay.  Interested?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133395579024
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« Reply #764 on: April 26, 2020, 07:14:13 PM »
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I ran into couple of Con-Cor (Rowa) C&O Corrugated Pullman cars on eBay.  Interested?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133395579024

Just an FYI, that’s two of the same cars.  They’re both “City of Newport News” sleepers, and they appear to be listed “as-is.”  That said, the C&O scheme is sharp and even looks good mixed into a B&O consist.

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