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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #660 on: February 25, 2020, 03:04:02 PM »
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What did you have to do to it? I have three 2-8-8-2's from the same collection that all don't run, but light up like that Berk did.

You had included two in the haul.  The one in the original box (how cool is that?) was more or less complete, and in pretty good shape, but as you noted, the lights were on but no one was home.  The other was more of a basket case, with busted bits and parts of the running gear missing.  In the end, the motor in the basket case worked, while the other better looking one was unresponsive.

My usual methodology of locomotive triage looks at three primary problems.  1:  Does the motor work.  For this I'll disassemble the engine, pull the motor, and apply voltage to the terminals.  9 times out of 10, the motor turns over, and if it does so reasonably smoothly and without heat or smoke, then I know the problem is elsewhere.
Next, I look at the drive train.  With the motor out, you should be able to push the drive along and turn the wheels.  Again, if there's no binding, or other obvious symptom that something is amiss mechanically, then the only other questions is the electrical pick up.

We know the motor works, because we applied power to it.
We know the mechanism should work, because it rolls reasonably freely.
All we have to do now is figure out what's going wrong as the juice moves from the track, through the pickups and to the engine.

In the case of the Berk, the light was on, so I knew that power was getting from the track to the bulb, but was somehow not getting to the motor.
Note that the terminals at the motor are just little nubs on the back of the case, and not the more typical brass brush housings we've become used to.  The case is a closed can, so you can't see the brushes at all, and therefore, no way of inspecting for carbon build up or brush wear.

It may be that there was nothing wrong with the electrical path at all, and the motor was just stalled due to long term storage.  When I freed it from the gearbox and tapped a 9v battery to the terminals, that may have been enough of a jolt to bring it back to life.  I did spray some contact cleaner "at" the case, maybe some got in, who knows.

Anyway, I reassembled it, really without doing much of anything other than cleaning the bits and pieces and of course losing a critical part (thank gad you sent the other carcass!) and it fired right up.  It's running loops pulling the Iron Horse Ramble as we speak, helped by two of my Atlas Roco FAs.  It's got a minor wobble to it, but hell it's almost as old as I am... and I'm pretty wobbly too.  For the moment, it is the Pride of the Retro Fleet.

I'd be happy to take a stab at one of those 2-8-8-2s... 8)

Next I have a couple of Rivarossi Pacifics to tune up.

Lee
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #661 on: February 25, 2020, 06:57:06 PM »
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Another fossil re-animated.


The venerable Atlas 0-8-0.  Runs like a Swiss watch going forward, but don't ask it to back up.

I suspect it has some Zamac disease.  Fortunately, the Retro Layout is not demanding, so round and round she goes.

I'll have to get another original equipment tender, though.  Hers was donated to my WM 0-6-0.

Fortunately I had a spare USRA tender to fill in for the meantime.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #662 on: February 29, 2020, 11:03:01 PM »
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I now have two functioning Atlas 0-8-0's in the fleet, thanks to some hard bargains and swaps with @ChristianJDavis1 .
I put a new motor in this one, and applied some trim paint. 

I'm thinking I need to design a proper steam era lettering set to give the Laurel Valley some history.  What do you think?
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #663 on: March 01, 2020, 12:29:06 AM »
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I now have two functioning Atlas 0-8-0's in the fleet, thanks to some hard bargains and swaps with @ChristianJDavis1 .
I put a new motor in this one, and applied some trim paint. 

I'm thinking I need to design a proper steam era lettering set to give the Laurel Valley some history.  What do you think?
Lee


I say go for it; I'd be interested to see what you cook up.
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #664 on: March 01, 2020, 04:39:22 PM »
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I think I may have an issue.  These are just the ones that have boxes.


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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #665 on: March 01, 2020, 04:45:18 PM »
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Sorry not sorry. And remember, there is always more where that came from.
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #666 on: March 01, 2020, 07:37:55 PM »
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@ChristianJDavis1 you are a first class fiend... the most recent parcel has been a source of unmitigated joy.  From the Rivarossi 0-4-0s to the basket case Rapido GP9s.

I'm feeling compelled to beg @seusscaboose for my 22 stall roundhouse to be returned to house even a fraction of these wonderful relics!

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #667 on: March 01, 2020, 10:05:39 PM »
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Here's a couple of stabs at a Laurel Valley lettering scheme for my growing retro steam fleet.  First, using Copperplate in dulux gold.



Next, trying Rockwell, which is the diesel era font, only not italicized and in white.


Next, Engravers MT in white


and Finally, Imprint Shadow


I like all of them, and could go with white or yellow lettering in any case.  Any thoughts?

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #668 on: March 01, 2020, 10:38:44 PM »
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I like the yellow, but maybe not in that font?
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #669 on: March 01, 2020, 10:42:43 PM »
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I say yellow in Engravers MT.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #670 on: March 01, 2020, 10:53:56 PM »
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Here's a couple of stabs at a Laurel Valley lettering scheme for my growing retro steam fleet. 
Next, Engravers MT in white

Any thoughts?
^ This one - except that it needs a Kadee 2-8-0 pilot conversion kit.



http://www.nicholassmithtrains.com/product/MICRO-TRAINS/N-REPLACEMENT-PARTS/ATLAS-0-8-0-PILOT-%26-TENDER/MIC1042/

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #671 on: March 02, 2020, 12:59:13 AM »
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^ This one - except that it needs a Kadee 2-8-0 pilot conversion kit.



http://www.nicholassmithtrains.com/product/MICRO-TRAINS/N-REPLACEMENT-PARTS/ATLAS-0-8-0-PILOT-%26-TENDER/MIC1042/

I have one you can have if you don’t mind the fact that the rear truck conversion was used for something else. Let me know and maybe it can find it’s way into another shipment.
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #672 on: March 02, 2020, 01:25:13 AM »
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^ This one - except that it needs a Kadee 2-8-0 pilot conversion kit.




???

I thought Lee was using Rapido couplers on his retro-layout.
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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #673 on: March 02, 2020, 01:39:01 AM »
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???
I thought Lee was using Rapido couplers on his retro-layout.
The main point was the conversion from 0-8-0 to 2-8-0, not any change in coupler type.
Of course, if you know of a 0-8-0 to 2-8-0 conversion kit that has a Rapido coupler on the front pilot, then don't hold out on us.

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Re: Retro Tech Layout Project - N Scale Compact Layout
« Reply #674 on: March 02, 2020, 01:46:31 AM »
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The main point was the conversion from 0-8-0 to 2-8-0, not any change in coupler type.
Of course, if you know of a 0-8-0 to 2-8-0 conversion kit that has a Rapido coupler on the front pilot, then don't hold out on us.

Oh, I see now.
I didn't realize that Lee wanted to make it a 2-8-0.
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