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Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« on: October 23, 2018, 06:21:00 AM »
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There is probably a thread on this but darned if I can find it.  Anyone swap out the couplers on Kato ES44s?  THings I have read include using MT 2004s, 2003s which I think come only unassembled, and 1015s, and then I read something about having to file out the pocket just a bit.  Any advice on this?  I tried to put in a 2004 last night to check for height but could not fit it in the pocket.  THanks!

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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 02:30:39 PM »
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I had to file the opening on all of my KATO GE modern style .
There is always a little notch to file in both lower corners . Pretty sure I used # 2004 .
It takes a few minutes to file these notchs , maybe I had to file a little more to fit the couplers but it's really not a big thing
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Louis



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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2018, 12:01:30 PM »
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Well, I bit the bullet and installed MT couplers on 11 modern Kato locomotives (ES44, SD70ACe, AC4400), and here is what I found:

2004 couplers: these offset couplers, designed for low-riding cars, and just too high when used on the newer Katos.  The MT Conversion chart calls for 2004 couplers on many older Kato locomotives, but in my hands these ride way too high on the newer models, with the result being sporadic uncoupling events, especially when the train passes over a kink in the rails. The MT conversion chart is out of date, which is odd given how common the new Katos are.

1015 couplers: I assembled these using the MT jig - not bad at all once you get the hang of it, which does not take long.  However, the coupler box is larger than that on the 2004 couplers.  I had to use a triangular file to remove the 'ears' (see photo), but I also had to do some additional filing to make the opening wider and also a bit taller.  When I could finally fit the 1015 in the opening, the Kato clips that normally hold the couplers in place sometimes worked and sometimes didn't: the issue is that the 1015 box is thicker (in the vertical dimension) than the 2004, so sometimes the clips just don't snap in to place.  However, this issue can be solved by simply using the metal screw provided with the MT couplers and discarding the clips.

A hybrid approach: to avoid excessive filing, I opened pre-assembled 2004 coupler boxes, saved the 2004 box while stashing the couplers elsewhere, and then installed 1015 couplers into the 2014 box.  To fasten the box lid back in place (it won't snap in place), I held it in place with tweezers and then touched either side with a hot soldering iron.  This worked great, though I had to do some very light filing to remove any flash that extended out as a result of melting.

The 2004/1015 coupler hybrids fit into the openings after only filing the ears (photos), and the Kato clips then held everything in place.  In the end, I found this approach to be less work that using 1015s.  Of course, this does result in some wasted materials (empty 1015 boxes and 2004 couplers), but perhaps I can use these on some low riding freight cars where a straight 1015 would ride too low.  Also, purchasing 10 unassembled 1015 couplers is pretty inexpensive, so I can live with it.

As an aside, the Kato couplers have a little brass sheet behind them that functions like a spring.  Just discard this when installing MT couplers since these have their own centering springs.

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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2018, 01:30:43 PM »
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My inventory shows that I have both the 1015/2004 conversion (five total, mostly SD70ACes) and 2003's (eight total, mix of GEVOs, 70MACs, ACes).

I believe that the last few conversions I've done have been the 2003s. The 2003 appears to be more or less the 2004 box with 1015 coupler. I ended up doing a similar trick with my soldering iron to tack everything together and then had to follow up with a drill bit (apologies: don't recall size; may have a bit from the MTL tap & die set) as the cover doesn't have a hole in it.



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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2018, 07:01:40 AM »
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Hi Sam,

Yes, I bought some 2003s, and I think you are quite right - they look to be 1015 couplers in a 2004 box but, as you note, the lid does not have a hole.  I didn't have an appropriate drill bit at the time, which is why I went with the 2014/1015 hybrid approach.  I just got the MT tap and die set, so I'll turn my attention back to the 2013s next time I upgrade a loco.
Best,
Bob

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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 11:09:09 AM »
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Bob,

One thing to add - I recall the 2003 box cover (the part w/o a hole)has some molded on raised sections. I filed them down to make a flat cover. It’s a bit of work compared to the 1013/2004 but fewer spare parts result.

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Re: Kato ES44 coupler conversion
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 03:03:34 PM »
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Yes, it has an elevated ridge - was hoping this would not have to be filed, but thanks for telling me that this will be necessary so that I won't try to force it into the coupler opening!
Bob