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Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« on: August 16, 2018, 12:11:35 PM »
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I would like to darken a model, i.e. apply a wash, prior to applying weathering.  I've tried using acrylic black thinned with water but it just pools up in all the wrong places.  Suggestions?

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2018, 12:18:19 PM »
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Do you have an airbrush?

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2018, 01:01:06 PM »
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Get yourself a copy of the Mann's book. He covers all the basics.

He recommends a water mixable oil color instead of acrylics, and they work quite well. You'll obviously need to dullcoat the model first; that alone may take care of your "puddle" issue. Quality brushes are also a big help. (No airbrush here. But a lot of good work can be done without one.)

If you're an old hand and you know all of this, my apologies. FWIW, I've had very acceptable results using some of Tom's techniques. And I have no particular artistic talent for or experience weathering.

Good luck! And post pics.

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 08:36:45 PM »
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Yep Dullcote first. This provides a key for any weathering solution.
I also Dullcote between each layer of weathering after first letting each layer dry thoroughly.
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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 12:35:55 PM »
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What the crew said above...
I like to apply Dullcote then a some kind of fade with a light color, that works for the base color of what ever you are weathering with an airbrush or cheap craft paints.
I then apply a light wash with Raw Umber water soluble oil paint, if I am going for an overall grimy look. 
I never use straight black.
Always go light to dark, black is too intense and you can't go back if you get too dark.
they...say we can't make this stuff up... but what else could we make?


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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 07:05:46 PM »
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I think if you don’t have an airbrush, a coat of Dullcote (or Dull Cote) followed by a wash. Probably burnt umber.

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 01:02:49 AM »
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Get yourself a copy of the Mann's book. He covers all the basics.

Where does one find this Mann book? I googled Mann books and all I got were books about Turkish prisons, steam rooms, and  leather parties...
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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 09:06:50 AM »
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Lulu.com. Author is listed as Thomas Mann, I believe.
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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 09:41:04 AM »
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Where does one find this Mann book? I googled Mann books and all I got were books about Turkish prisons, steam rooms, and  leather parties...

There's one listed on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005D2Z6YK?pf_rd_p=d1f45e03-8b73-4c9a-9beb-4819111bef9a&pf_rd_r=QNT4CVW0M3QRHZPFWNBX


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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 09:51:27 AM »
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It's cheaper on LULU.  And there's a 10% off coupon until August 23rd.  Use LULU10.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/thomas-mann/weathering/paperback/product-5164387.html

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2018, 06:00:13 PM »
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Thanks for the coupon info Mike!
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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2018, 08:29:35 PM »
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Thanks guys!

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 02:05:07 PM »
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Just ordered a copy from LuLu.

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Re: Overall Darkening Prior To Weathering
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2018, 11:06:39 AM »
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I just picked up a copy too, getting ready to paint and weather some scratch built bridges  8)