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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2018, 10:25:00 AM »
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Not if they are also going to require an 18.75 min. radius!!!!!!!!!!!!

The tankcars have a short wheelbase. They will negotiate at least 12”.

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2018, 10:34:02 AM »
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These models should be able to navigate 11” curves. The ESM mill gondola is a longer car with scale height and body-mounted couplers, and it can run on as little as 10.5” radius. It doesn’t like it and it looks funny doing it, but it will stay on the track. The same should apply to this new coal hopper.

But yes, the days of everything being able to run on 9-3/4” radius are long over.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2018, 12:41:54 PM »
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These models should be able to navigate 11” curves. The ESM mill gondola is a longer car with scale height and body-mounted couplers, and it can run on as little as 10.5” radius. It doesn’t like it and it looks funny doing it, but it will stay on the track. The same should apply to this new coal hopper.

That logic may not apply as the clearance issue with hoppers are usually the bays.

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2018, 02:02:10 PM »
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That minimum radius recommendation just doesn't seem realistic. It would mean that the trucks have almost no swing (because I cannot imagine that the body mounted couplers could be the reason).

If that recommendation is accurate then I think they are seriously limiting their products's marketability.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2018, 02:39:43 PM »
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2018, 03:08:15 PM »
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I hope the 6k gallon ACF tankcars are on the list of N scale projects.

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2018, 03:14:07 PM »
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I wonder if that radius was copied from the HO version, and is a mistake?

That said, I can't use them anyway, as they're a few years too modern for me.

Even if one had 19" curves, most Yard turnout curves are much sharper than that; I bet it's a mistake.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2018, 04:04:25 PM »
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It might be the stirrups. They realistically have the trucks close to the end of the car:

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/n-39975-detailr-crop.x62634.jpg

EDIT: well maybe not:



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That doesn't look much different than any other N scale hopper with body mounted couplers. It seems that only the coupler box  would be limiting the swing (and as I see it, it appears that there still is enough swing for tighter radius track.

So the specified minimum radius is likely a mistake, or Tangent did this to bring up some lively conversation about their product (as witnessed here).  :D
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2018, 04:17:27 PM »
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I agree about the coupler box.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/n-40181highend-crop.x62634.jpg

With that said, it doesn't look worse than some Exactrail cars I have that have had no issues.

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2018, 04:36:46 PM »
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So the specified minimum radius is likely a mistake, or Tangent did this to bring up some lively conversation about their product (as witnessed here).  :D

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2018, 05:12:00 PM »
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I think it's definitely the coupler box in conjunction with the hose pipe.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2018, 05:26:36 PM »
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So the specified minimum radius is likely a mistake, or Tangent did this to bring up some lively conversation about their product (as witnessed here).  :D

Clever marketing or simply trolling  ;)  If it was simply a mistake I would assume that @Tangentsm would have come in by now and corrected it. Nevertheless, I am happy the 100 ton trucks are available again and one can only hope for less than $7.95 a pair.

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 05:59:20 PM »
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These models should be able to navigate 11” curves. The ESM mill gondola is a longer car with scale height and body-mounted couplers, and it can run on as little as 10.5” radius. It doesn’t like it and it looks funny doing it, but it will stay on the track. The same should apply to this new coal hopper.

But yes, the days of everything being able to run on 9-3/4” radius are long over.


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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2018, 07:47:24 PM »
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These models should be able to navigate 11” curves. The ESM mill gondola is a longer car with scale height and body-mounted couplers, and it can run on as little as 10.5” radius. It doesn’t like it and it looks funny doing it, but it will stay on the track. The same should apply to this new coal hopper.

But yes, the days of everything being able to run on 9-3/4” radius are long over.


I don't think that anybody is clamoring for the model to operate on 2.75" radius curves, the suggested "minimum radius of 18.75” or greater" is a far cry from 10.5" (or 11") radius.  And like you said, the hopper is not a very long cars. As others have mentioned, they run 80+ foot passenger cars with body-mounted couplers on curves tighter that 18.75 inches.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: Bethlehem Quad Hoppers in N Scale
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2018, 08:35:52 PM »
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Clever marketing or simply trolling  ;)  If it was simply a mistake I would assume that @Tangentsm would have come in by now and corrected it.
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