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daniel_leavitt2000

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MTL 68' flat question
« on: June 30, 2018, 05:01:35 PM »
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The MTL tank transport flats come in both two and three axle truck versions. Is the two axle version close to anything else? Phone pole flats etc.

Also, anyone know if this has any common parts with the 68' bulkhead or center beam flats?
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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2018, 08:30:08 PM »
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I can answer the second question. All new tooling including the trucks and coupler pockets. The only existing parts are the wheels and couplers.
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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 06:32:55 PM »
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The DODX flats that MTL is putting out with a single M1 tank are on 89ft flats.  Or at least the red set should be 89ft cars.  Looking at the MTL page, it mentions the red set is also 68ft cars.

The cars with two tanks are the 68ft ones
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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 10:45:12 AM »
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The DODX flats that MTL is putting out with a single M1 tank are on 89ft flats.  Or at least the red set should be 89ft cars.  Looking at the MTL page, it mentions the red set is also 68ft cars.

The cars with two tanks are the 68ft ones

The single tank version is the lighter weight version (two wheeled trucks).  Usually carrying wheeled vehicles, light armored vehicles and containers.  It is also 68' long like the heavy weight cousin.  They also have a large number of 89' flats I hope we get to model as well.  Those were fitted for light wheeled vehicles and containers.

I've seen a few of the 68's patched and carrying pipe.  I'll see if I can find those shots again.

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 12:31:34 AM »
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Hmm, never seen "light weight" 68ft flats

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 10:49:14 AM »
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Hmm, never seen "light weight" 68ft flats

Is this one?

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2018, 04:36:20 PM »
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All new tooling including the trucks

Are these already the new trucks which will lower the ride height like the BLMA ones ? Are they available to buy in pairs and bulk ?

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 05:39:08 PM »
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Are these already the new trucks which will lower the ride height like the BLMA ones ? Are they available to buy in pairs and bulk ?

Jane

Thanks to Bryan B, we have this photo:


With a centered bolster, I am guessing the 2 and 3 axle trucks share an under frame. This would mean that they would not use any low bolster trucks like BLMA's.
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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 05:50:42 PM »
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Is this one?



Pictures of DODX 41028
     
Owner:   Department Of Defense
Type:   Flat Car
AAR Class:   FMS: Specialty Ordinary flat car for general service. This car has flooring laid over sills and without sides or ends.
AAR Type:   F223
Detail Info:     Flat Car, Load Limit: 155,000-184,999lb, Equipped with cushioned draft gear/underframe, Inside length: 60-75ft
Plate:     C

Max Gross Weight:     263000
Load Limit:     182900
Ext L/W/H:     72' 6" / 10' 6" / 4' 2"
Int L/W/H:     68' 0" / 10' 6" / 0' 0"


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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 06:06:39 PM »
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Thanks to Bryan B, we have this photo:


With a centered bolster, I am guessing the 2 and 3 axle trucks share an under frame. This would mean that they would not use any low bolster trucks like BLMA's.

Good picture. See the space which is cut out the under frame for the wheel flanges, there is none for a 2 axle truck.

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 10:33:45 AM »
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Good picture. See the space which is cut out the under frame for the wheel flanges, there is none for a 2 axle truck.

Jane

That was the initial frame for checking stuff, the production frame has the cut outs for the 4 wheel truck as well.  Both trucks are new.

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 10:35:01 AM »
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Are these already the new trucks which will lower the ride height like the BLMA ones ? Are they available to buy in pairs and bulk ?

Jane

Once we get the cars out I am sure we will have them separate as well.

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2018, 02:37:16 AM »
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Will the 2 axle trucks have a center bolster, or will they be offset?

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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2018, 06:47:02 AM »
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Will the 2 axle trucks have a center bolster, or will they be offset?

They would have to be centered if they are swap-able on the frame as the 3 axle truck in the picture above.
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Re: MTL 68' flat question
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2018, 07:25:30 PM »
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  I have some old deluxe cars that had the 3 axle trucks.  Does anyone know if these made by MT?