PRR and UP single window coach

[bbussey]

Jerry, they have been working on this since my PhD daughter was in the 8th grade.  Let's not scare them off at this point.

I suppose how much the graphic in the MT brochure @Mark5 linked resembles a NYC is a matter of opinion.  From the resources at hand, I think it looks pretty close, especially to cars with AC and lower density seating for long haul trains. The windows look too small, compared to photos, but that is true of some of the NYC own diagrams.

Looks to me as if the drawing in the MTL brochure includes window shades.  Note that the windows on the left are slightly taller.  Zooming in, the artwork appears to be window shades to me.

[JoeD]

One of the graphic artist drew in window shades for some unknown reason....Sorry for the confusion.

Joe

But that doesn't look like any NYC single windowed coach that I have seen...



That looks more like the paired window coach that NYC had and even there it isn't all that close...

Went through all the diagrams on the Canadian Southern website and could not find anything even close to what is shown in the MT .pdf file... I think I am going to be sick...

[JoeD]

And still now answer LOL  Continental drift pales in comparison to Thread Drift on Railwire. 

Joe

[peteski]

One of the graphic artist drew in window shades for some unknown reason....Sorry for the confusion.

To continue the drift, I think that in modeling circles this is called an "artistic license".   

[johnb]

And still now answer LOL  Continental drift pales in comparison to Thread Drift on Railwire. 

Joe

what did you expect, an answer to your question?

[Point353]

And still now answer LOL.

Too obvious, perhaps, but have you tried contacting either of the railroad historical societies?
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRSocietyContacts.htm
http://uphs.org/contact-us/

[JoeD]

Too obvious, perhaps, but have you tried contacting either of the railroad historical societies?
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRSocietyContacts.htm
http://uphs.org/contact-us/

yes, I generally do, and generally they answer, but not always.

Joe

[thomasjmdavis]

And still now answer LOL  Continental drift pales in comparison to Thread Drift on Railwire. 

Joe

I think the answer is zero.

Sorry- I would be happy to be proven wrong. I think we assumed you had asked in jest. Given that MT has been working on single window coach for years, it is rather surprising that you don't have a list of virtually every major railroad's coaches. I thought I had posted something on this early on, but must not have hit the "post" button. For the record, I cannot find a single photo of any PRR or UP steel heavyweight coach that is "single window".  You said, early on, that you had found 1 in PRR- which I will believe, but it isn't in any of the books I have. And I could not find one on the web. Several people early on gave the same answer. And to get ahead of the game, ATSF did not have any coaches that resemble either the B&O paired window or the coming NYC single window.

Of course, I can't PROVE that no such cars existed, and I won't be shocked if there was an experimental P-70 or a wood car that got steel plated or some cars were leased during WWII or something similar, but I have made some effort to find what you are looking for and single window coaches were NOT part of any series of cars I can find on either PRR or UP.

Jerry Laboda did fairly extensive cataloging of railroads with cars similar to the Branchline model (rumor being you were using the same prototype)
http://n-scalevarnish.info/index/varnish/NYC-patterned%20single%20window%20coaches.htm

Unfortunately, UP and PRR are not among them.

Right now, if you buy a Micro-trains "train" in UP or PRR, you get a WWI era RPO (fairly common, but I don't know if UP or PRR had them in this style), CBQ baggage mail, SP horse car, Erie baggage, B&O coach, PRR diner, assortment of Pullman sleepers, and if you want one, a Pullman obs, painted in the railroad of your choice.  I don't see a problem with adding a NYC coach to that mix. This is NOT intended as criticism- I think you have chosen wisely even if you did not choose the same cars I would have chosen.  Most of the cars resemble cars in use on many railroads, and in fact, to date, not one single person viewing any of my trains has recognized the foobies or stand ins.

[CBQ Fan]

I just hope they continue to bring out new car bodies and keep offering existing and new roadnames.

[Angus Shops]

Hmmmm.... If Continental drift was comparable to Railwire thread drift, New York would be ripping past Singapore about now, having gone the long way around...
Geoff

[Maletrain]

I just hope they continue to bring out new car bodies and keep offering existing and new roadnames.

I hope they get this single-window coach on the market soon, so we aren't distracted from asking for the paired-window baggage coach combine.

[towl1996]

It seems as though a nasty conundrum has developed on the single window coach front. Clearly the most logical path forward is to produce the PRR MP54. As photos and floor plans are readily available, as well as assistance from the PRRT&HS. 

[thomasjmdavis]

It seems as though a nasty conundrum has developed on the single window coach front. Clearly the most logical path forward is to produce the PRR MP54. As photos and floor plans are readily available, as well as assistance from the PRRT&HS. 

Let's not make MT retool AGAIN.  I want my single window coach, and I want it NOW.  OK. In August or October or whatever is a realistic production timeframe.  But let's not even suggest they start over.

Take the MP 54 request to BLI- they can produce one for you that will have sounds of a car crammed full of commuters, and you can use DCC to choose between NY, NJ and Philly accents, with a special setting to turn off cuss words when children are present.  All the window shades will be down to hide the sound gear.

[CBQ Fan]

I hope they get this single-window coach on the market soon, so we aren't distracted from asking for the paired-window baggage coach combine.

Lol. How true!  But I would buy one of those also.

[JoeD]

Thanks.

I have a list I built and obviously not been researching it the whole time...a few other body styles and obligations got in the way   but it never hurts to ask and ask again and just one more time because as soon as we release something or don't...we get a photo proving otherwise.  As for the PRR I did find some excursion trains... 
The Tulpehocken Trail and a few others but those are trains repainted for use today...and not viable as a release unless we do a special run kinda thing.

Joe


 
I think the answer is zero.

Sorry- I would be happy to be proven wrong. I think we assumed you had asked in jest. Given that MT has been working on single window coach for years, it is rather surprising that you don't have a list of virtually every major railroad's coaches. I thought I had posted something on this early on, but must not have hit the "post" button. For the record, I cannot find a single photo of any PRR or UP steel heavyweight coach that is "single window".  You said, early on, that you had found 1 in PRR- which I will believe, but it isn't in any of the books I have. And I could not find one on the web. Several people early on gave the same answer. And to get ahead of the game, ATSF did not have any coaches that resemble either the B&O paired window or the coming NYC single window.

Of course, I can't PROVE that no such cars existed, and I won't be shocked if there was an experimental P-70 or a wood car that got steel plated or some cars were leased during WWII or something similar, but I have made some effort to find what you are looking for and single window coaches were NOT part of any series of cars I can find on either PRR or UP.

Jerry Laboda did fairly extensive cataloging of railroads with cars similar to the Branchline model (rumor being you were using the same prototype)
http://n-scalevarnish.info/index/varnish/NYC-patterned%20single%20window%20coaches.htm

Unfortunately, UP and PRR are not among them.

Right now, if you buy a Micro-trains "train" in UP or PRR, you get a WWI era RPO (fairly common, but I don't know if UP or PRR had them in this style), CBQ baggage mail, SP horse car, Erie baggage, B&O coach, PRR diner, assortment of Pullman sleepers, and if you want one, a Pullman obs, painted in the railroad of your choice.  I don't see a problem with adding a NYC coach to that mix. This is NOT intended as criticism- I think you have chosen wisely even if you did not choose the same cars I would have chosen.  Most of the cars resemble cars in use on many railroads, and in fact, to date, not one single person viewing any of my trains has recognized the foobies or stand ins.
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