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Turnout Trouble
« on: January 31, 2018, 08:30:04 PM »
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I made a video about it. I'm using bluepoint machines and i'm getting shorts when the turnout is thrown one way, but not the other.



I'm sure this is something simple, but I'm dumb.

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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2018, 08:37:13 PM »
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Do you have the rails properly gaped and if they are do you have a power feed to the frog?  Check that the wires to the switch leading to the frog are connected properly.  HTH
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2018, 08:40:15 PM »
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Frogs are powered, I know that much.
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2018, 09:28:44 PM »
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Seems that the frog is at a wrong polarity and when the tender truck crosses the gap, it shorts out.  Can you draw a diagram of how the turnout is wired wired to the contacts of the switch machine?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2018, 09:31:18 PM by peteski »
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 09:07:51 AM »
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Here it is. 


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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018, 09:13:50 AM »
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can't tell from the picture - so you might want to recheck the wiring and make sure that the right wires are attached to the right contacts.  Only comes to mind that someone I know wired up his first 4 Tortoises  Blue - Red - Green  -  Black - Red2 - Green2 - Black2  - White  when the diagram clearly shows that it should be
Blue - Red - Black - Green - Green2 - Red2 - Black2 - White.

With the Frog wired to Green, interesting things happened ;(

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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018, 09:40:41 AM »
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Additionaly longer locos short right here:

The paper edge represents the outer wheel edge. 
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018, 09:49:17 AM »
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All switch machines appear to be wired the same way:

https://ppw-aline.com/collections/blue-point-manual-turnout-controller



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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2018, 09:50:51 AM »
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@sizemore any ideas?
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Re: Turnout Trouble RESOLVED
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2018, 10:20:59 AM »
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I was talking to @Ed Kapuscinski and we realized that this particular turnout was one that we had to install...and we had to install it backwards, physically. I switched red and black and we are in business.

Thanks, all for the input!
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2018, 03:02:16 PM »
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Excellent!
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2018, 03:51:08 PM »
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Good deal. I was about to write that, somehow, the frog was at the wrong polarity and I was going to suggest switching the two wires from the stock rails to the switch around.

Now, I don't have to write that.

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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »
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I was going to ask if that crossover represented an unnoticed reverse loop.  That wouldn't have been so far off. 
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2018, 07:44:23 AM »
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Great, now lets see some scenery work.
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Re: Turnout Trouble
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 12:25:44 PM »
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Quote from: DeltaBravo on February 02, 2018, 07:44:23 AM
Great, now lets see some scenery work.

No scenery until after we hopefully buy a house this summer.
I may ballast, though. Need to decide if I want the Ed K grout.
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Ed Kapucinski
Every night, he plants a new tree.
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