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Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« on: January 20, 2018, 02:15:59 AM »
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I have one I picked up for $2, is it worth me trying to update it?
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 03:28:31 AM »
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I think I saw a thread somewhere that someone had upgraded to better wheels, trucks, couplers and brass railings.
Is it a GATX version (white with orange)? That's the only one that's based on a prototype http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/railwhales/bynumber/gatx096500.htm
I have a Wanda that I'd like to trade for a GATX or maybe repaint some day.

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 08:51:05 AM »
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Some decent info here too:

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 09:58:58 AM »
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The one and only prototype still exists and lives in St. Louis at the Museum of Transport: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3455978

Ignore the low prices on the A1G page for MIB - these are currently going for $60-75 on eBay. If you want to make a buck there you go.

I have two or three hoping to improve/restore. If you want to improve it as a model for yourself, like Ryan said, wheels, trucks and couplers are #1, and super-easy. Next is the thick roofwalk, not as easy. You'll have to figure out which detail kit(s) to use; I think I have a couple of GMM covered hopper kits set aside to splice but haven't done it yet. Ladders, too. Then the lettering from the factory was really fuzzy, so whenever I get the round-tuit I'll probably get decals printed for a repaint.
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 04:34:20 PM »
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The one and only prototype still exists and lives in St. Louis at the Museum of Transport: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3455978

Ignore the low prices on the A1G page for MIB - these are currently going for $60-75 on eBay. If you want to make a buck there you go.

I have two or three hoping to improve/restore. If you want to improve it as a model for yourself, like Ryan said, wheels, trucks and couplers are #1, and super-easy. Next is the thick roofwalk, not as easy. You'll have to figure out which detail kit(s) to use; I think I have a couple of GMM covered hopper kits set aside to splice but haven't done it yet. Ladders, too. Then the lettering from the factory was really fuzzy, so whenever I get the round-tuit I'll probably get decals printed for a repaint.

It's worth noting that the Atlas model omits the hatches on the lower sides and has hatches in both ends, and apparently a hatch only belongs on the non-brakewheel end. Also, at some point the end ladder arrangement was changed (builder's photo here: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/railwhales/bynumber/gatx096500.htm ). 
« Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 04:44:00 PM by nickelplate759 »
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 06:24:47 PM »
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Per A1G, "The trucks with the couplers are significantly longer than the "extended" trucks used on the hi-cube box cars, "Pig Palace" stock cars and auto racks. In fact, they are not used anywhere else. It's one reason why these cars are sought after-- if they're intact. Folks who buy the bodies only with the intent of just finding any old wheelsets to put under them are soon made aware of what a challenge they've taken on!"

The answer to this challenge may be to use brass tubing for both the coupler boxes and the starting point for new bolsters....

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=21980.0

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2018, 06:26:13 PM »
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Anybody know what happened to the molds for this car?

Originally made by Roco.
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 06:45:53 PM »
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Looking at the bolster on the right side of the photo in the link below, it appears the trucks may have offset kingpin holes like MTL roller bearing trucks...

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/railwhales/photos/GATX_96500y.bmp

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2018, 06:58:04 PM »
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Looking at the bolster on the right side of the photo in the link below, it appears the trucks may have offset kingpin holes like MTL roller bearing trucks...

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/railwhales/photos/GATX_96500y.bmp

Looking at that photo and the high tension poles in the background. I wonder if this car was built at GATX in Masury OH:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2078655,-80.5311168,227a,35y,90h,39.33t/data=!3m1!1e3

Wait. The other photo on that page shows a blast furnace in the background. That was Sharon Steel. So yeah the builder photos are at Masury, OH.
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/railwhales/bynumber/gatx096500.htm
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 07:00:31 PM »
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The prototype pics make me think (again) that maybe a modeler's approach to this car is to use the body as a core and build-up everything else around it. The A1G "details" are pretty crude.
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 11:07:06 PM »
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So, it seems I meant "Jumbo", not "Whale".
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 11:08:34 PM »
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And, looking at the A1G page for this car, it seems that it is not worth the effort.  Oh, well.
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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2018, 12:08:54 AM »
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For some reason, I had the feeling you meant the jumbo tank car and not the 94 footer.

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 12:26:48 AM »
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It was a fun exercise anyway :-)

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Re: Prototype for old Atlas whale tank car?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2018, 02:13:49 AM »
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No, if you meant the ordinary "Jumbo" tankcar, Atlas released a much better version a few years ago.  I have one, and one of the originals, and would recommend that you find the newer one if possible.

Gold Medal made a detailing kit for the original, do if you want new walks and railings, it shouldn't be too hard.

I also have one of the "Whales", found a few years back at a train show, and have never tried to upgrade it.  I doubt that the thing was ever seen in central Montana, and it was retired by my year of 1974.
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