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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2017, 01:43:50 PM »
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Probably not. There may be some secondary uses somewhere, but down here the carbon black hoppers are in fairly captive service.

I mean like the crazy made up schemes on those Bowser Airslides or the Atlas 2743's for steel companies.

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2017, 02:11:13 PM »
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I mean like the crazy made up schemes on those Bowser Airslides or the Atlas 2743's for steel companies.

Understood - I'm fairly certain that goes completely against their philosophy.
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2017, 04:06:38 PM »
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I think part of the issue is the scenes they are offering are good for the mid 70's of the mid 90's or the present day.

If you model 1980 to 1996 you are pretty much out of luck, and for the boxy Thrall cars the gap is literally from the 70'S to post 2007.

I think would do better if they offered schemes that covered a broader range or eras.

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2017, 08:23:56 PM »
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I'm sensing they are passionate about models, but sorta not great at business. Why would you produce a niche model and expect good or great sales?..Especially for your first car offering?...Save the niche models for after you bring a hit to market...duh :P...There is still plenty of low hanging fruit as far as popular prototypes not yet produced in N scale.

First they announced a game changer.....(mine remains unchanged)
Then they announced an upcoming announcement :facepalm:
And now they want us to help them sell models?....Maybe start by producing something I need or want :|

I hope they can make a go of it in N scale, since I do find their models quite impressive, even if I don't need or want any of them...


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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2017, 09:39:46 PM »
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Yeah I have to agree to jump on the N scale doesn't sell bandwagon on this niche car is stupid at best, and to start with most N scalers probably don't bother to frequent their site do to the exclusive HO stance. I don't get the business sense of some of these manufacturers​. How about some 70s era 60' boxcars (proper hy cubes), how about some 60s and 70s era Tankcars or a decent bulkhead flatcar from that era. But seriously to give up on N scale over this first release!! Get real.

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2017, 09:49:36 PM »
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How about some 70s era 60' boxcars (proper hy cubes), how about some 60s and 70s era Tankcars or a decent bulkhead flatcar from that era.
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2017, 10:43:45 PM »
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Perhaps I should state that no one from ScaleTrains has said anything about giving up on N scale. 

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2017, 12:12:06 AM »
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Perhaps I should state that no one from ScaleTrains has said anything about giving up on N scale.

They have pushed back the other freight car announcements in June due to the poor pre-orders though.
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2017, 04:28:23 AM »
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I ordered 4 to support the cause.  I can't honestly say that I've ever seen one of these prototype cars in person, but there is a Philips 66 carbon plant on the BNSF in Christie CA (just outside Richmond), so these cars could theoretically be hauled over Tehachapi.  (In reality, the P66 plant seems to ship their product in regular grey covered hoppers.)  They do look like really nice models.

I'm not sure what market research drove them to make this their first N scale rolling stock offering.  Maybe it's selling well in HO?  I think they hit a home run with their 53' containers (at least with me...) so I still hold out hope.

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2017, 11:40:53 AM »
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I also signed-up for four Cities Services...

...which conjured a flash of memory. While in school I applied for a summer job at the Columbian Carbon (Cities Services) plant south of Mojave. They had a student co-op opening. Didn't get the job because they wanted a chemistry or chemical engineering major for some reason. :facepalm:
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2017, 12:40:24 PM »
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I mean like the crazy made up schemes on those Bowser Airslides or the Atlas 2743's for steel companies.

Some of those crazy made up Bowser schemes are going for unreal prices on eBay right now.
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2017, 01:04:12 PM »
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Thank you to everyone who has shared feedback on this thread as well as those who have placed preorders.  Like any thread, there are many twists and turns and we’d like to share our thoughts on several topics that have been covered.


1. The 5750cf and 4727cf Carbon Black Hoppers would actually be our fourth and fifth N Scale freight cars if our plans had come together as anticipated.

We were developing the Trinity 31K Crude Oil Tank Car in both HO and N scale when we learned BLMA was working-on the same project.  I called Craig and after a few conversations we agreed ScaleTrains.com would continue with the HO model and BLMA the N Scale version.  We shared research materials and our team actually created the artwork for BLMA’s first production run.

After we finished the tooling for the HO 4180 and 4566 Airslide Covered Hoppers, we were going to tool the same models in N Scale.  We were working-on the engineering drawings when Micro-Trains announced their model.  Since we had not cut tooling which is the most expensive part of the product development process, we canceled the project at a minimal loss.


2. Since July 2015, we've logged every new model request on our Facebook page, received via e-mail, posted on major Internet forums, and suggested at shows we’ve attended.  I also did this when we worked for Athearn.  Carbon Black Hoppers have consistently been one of the most frequently requested freight car models on the list.

We’re the only HO and N scale manufacturer to offer contemporary (1970s to today) carbon black models in mass-produced plastic.


3. We certainly did not expect to sell N Scale Carbon Black Hoppers in the quantities BLMA sold on the first production of N Scale Crude Oil Tank Cars.  In fact, our projections were less than 50% of what BLMA sold.

At the time we sent the e-mail asking N scale modelers for help sharing the news about our Carbon Black Hoppers, we had less than 300 total preorders between both versions.  That’s less than $9K in revenue.

Considering the research, engineering, tooling, deco tooling, and sample costs, our investment in two different hoppers is approaching $100,000.  These expenses have already been paid and do NOT include the inventory cost.

Factories require minimum order quantities.  To move forward now would mean we would have 1000s of unsold cars which does not make good financial sense.  We can reduce the quantity but that will increase our unit cost greatly.  This is why we're delaying production while we accumulate more preorders.


4. We have not developed our N scale offerings as quickly as our HO ones so there are perceptions the N scale market is not as important to us.  Unfortunately we’ve lost several N scale e-mail newsletter subscribers over the past several months.  (Note: we are working with our developers to segment our newsletter into HO, N, and both scales.)

Contrary to what some have said in this thread, we’re not complaining about N scale or exiting the scale.  In fact, we have several N Scale locomotives, freight cars, and rolling stock projects in various stages of the development process now.  We will still announce our first N scale diesel locomotive at the convention in Pittsburgh with an operating model and multiple decorated samples.

We’re simply asking for help to spread the word about our N scale models.


5. Our models are available directly from us at ScaleTrains.com as well as brick and mortar Select Retailers.  Pricing from either channel is the same.  We do pay freight for shippable orders over $99 in the contiguous US.

To help increase our profit margins so we can invest in new models, we do not sell our models through wholesalers.  This also helps us keep price points lower whenever possible.


6. Each Carbon Black product page on our website contains the following information, “These unique freight cars are commonly found in large groups near major carbon black producers or users. They can also be seen singularly or in small blocks of cars in mixed freight trains.”

From the feedback we’ve received, we need to do to more to help educate potential customers about Industries that utilize carbon black and how they are routed from the supplier.   At the every least, these cars can be used in bridge service between railroads. We’re working-on this information now.


7. There also seems to be some confusion about the era for the models we’re offering.  The 5750cf is appropriate for the late 1970s to today and the 4727cf is accurate for the mid-1990s to today.

We’re offering models without and with conspicuity stripes for pre-2005 and post-2005 modelers respectively.  Of course, the full-scale owners added conspicuity stripes as the cars were serviced so the 2005 date may be a little later for some cars.  It’s nearly impossible to determine the exact date conspicuity stripes were added to a specific car number.  Era information is noted on the product page as well.


8. Finally, someone asked about our experience.  Our four founders have over 130-years experience in the model railroad hobby and Industry.  We recently shipped the N Scale “Big Blow” Turbine and received numerous compliments.  Our team also played an integral role in the development of the following Athearn N scale freight cars: ACF 2970 Covered Hopper, GATC 2600 Airslide, PS2 2893 Covered Hopper, 30K Ethanol Tank Car, 33K LPG Tank Car, and much more.

Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy reply.  We truly appreciate your support and feedback.

Sincerely,

Shane


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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2017, 04:12:46 PM »
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Having met Shane at train shows on several occasions I can attest to his industry experience and, most importantly, to his passion for N scale.  While I am a Milwaukee Road modeler, I enjoy running my UP Big Blow and marvel at its detail.

I plead guilty to not placing a carbon Black preorder but will rectify that in a few minutes.  I have seen these at the Firestone tire plant in Decatur, Illinois and find them interesting.

I also appreciate that Shane took the initiative to post a positive reply to the musings of our forum.

No, I'm not on the payroll..........just a satisfied customer :D.
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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2017, 04:14:05 PM »
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Shane, thank you very much for sharing all of that very candid info.  I really appreciate any manufacturer who is willing to dip into the high-end N scale market and I'm sure we all wish you great success.  I'm also very glad to hear that you were in touch with Craig regarding the Trinity tankers - that saved everyone some grief.

And since I have your attention: a non-Gunderson 53' well car please!  (Unless Matt@FVM has that covered.)  I would buy nearly as many of those as I have of your containers. :lol:

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Re: ScaleTrains announcement 4/27
« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2017, 05:26:06 PM »
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Thank you Shane for the reply and for the carbon hoppers!  This is a car that I desperately need and ordered 13 of to support the cause!  I am so looking forward to these and I was also hoping that you were going to do the Airslide hoppers like you did in HO Scale (although you now aren't).  While I like MT and have a few of their models I think that you guys at Scale Trains just take the quantity up a notch higher and do more schemes in more numbers, more often (PLEASE RECONSIDER!!!!)