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Dover Harbor passenger car
« on: January 07, 2017, 02:20:46 PM »
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Hi guys ,
I need your help !
I am in the process of trying to build this car . I started with a Shapeway 3D car , which is not bad .
I had to screw ( 8 places ! )  the warped floor to the body to take care of this little problem .
Now I am looking for more details such as the end marker lamps and rubber connection between car , ( forgot the name .. )
I think I saw that the foldable gate was available somewhere , was it from Rapido or MT ?

Here is a picture of the prototype .

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d2/2/7/3/6273.1441656279.jpg
 
Thanks ,
Louis



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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 02:43:53 PM »
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The diaphragm (the rubber thingie) looks like the modern European version (rather than the accordion-style ones used in USA).  While those might be available as replacement parts for European passenger cars, you should be able to scratchbuild them from some round styrene stock. Just cut 3 pieces from a styrene rod, flatten them a bit then drill into the ends of the top piece (to make it appear hollow. Then file the tops of the vertical pieces to get the top piece to fit on top as shown in the photos. Glue them and paint it dark gray (grimy black).  The metal rods on the outside could be made from some brass rod.

I've seen the folding gate made by Micro-Trains, but it is laser cut out of some sort of paper product. It doesn't quite look right to me (too thick - not delicate enough). Someone might be making these out of photoetched brass - if you could find those, they would probably look much better.

The EOT red marker light could also be scratchbuilt out of some styrene bits. Chuck a styrene rod in a Dremel tool and turn it to the shape of the light. Then use some styrene bits for the mount. Paint it silver and put a dot or clear red paint for the lens.
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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 03:21:23 PM »
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try this site .. Dover Harbor is about 2 miles from where I live ..

http://www.doverharbor.com/

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 05:03:06 PM »
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The diaphragm (the rubber thingie) looks like the modern European version (rather than the accordion-style ones used in USA).  While those might be available as replacement parts for European passenger cars, you should be able to scratchbuild them from some round styrene stock. Just cut 3 pieces from a styrene rod, flatten them a bit then drill into the ends of the top piece (to make it appear hollow.


Or just use the black insulation of some black wire with the right diameter.

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 06:09:20 PM »
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I believe Gold Metal Models has what you are looking for for the gate as an etched brass part. I went to their web site but they do not have photo's of the fret 160-44 that may have it. Maybe someone here might be able to confirm it or deny it.  :|

http://goldmm.com/nscale/gmnpatyp.htm

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 07:12:20 PM »
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Alas, GMM's passenger car details sheets do not include the end gates.

but.... Good News Everyone!   Rapido lists etched metal end gates on their web site, here : http://rapidotrains.com/detail-parts/
(note that they indicate that the dime in the photo is not included  ;) )

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 07:20:34 PM »
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Alas, GMM's passenger car details sheets do not include the end gates.

but.... Good News Everyone!   Rapido lists etched metal end gates on their web site, here : http://rapidotrains.com/detail-parts/
(note that they indicate that the dime in the photo is not included  ;) )

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Those look to be the same as ones they used on the Osgood-Bradley cars - they are very finely-etched gates - very nice!
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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 07:48:10 PM »
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Similar looking diaphragms are available from Kato as spare parts from the UP excursion train cars:
P/N 805120: http://www.katousa.com/images/805120.jpg
You'd need to add the rods (torsion bar springs?) to either side of the diaphragm.

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 06:36:33 PM »
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Thank you all for your answers . Very good advice and very good links !!!
John thanks for the links , I had the chance to ride the Dover Harbor last spring for a day ! This is why I am hook and want a model of it .
Thanks ,
Louis



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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 10:49:35 PM »
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I started with a Shapeway 3D car...

Whose doing a Shapeways print?  I have tried searching Shapeways but have had no luck finding such a print in any scale, not just N.

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 03:43:37 PM »
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Thanks ,
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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 04:21:21 PM »
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Awesome project!

Also, Shapeways search is the worst. The damned worst.

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2017, 06:09:11 PM »
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Do you have any recollection of who the designer was?  Trying to find anything on shapeways is borderline impossible without that info.  Did it come with any instructions or other documentation that might give you a clue?

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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2017, 08:26:28 PM »
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Awesome project!

Also, Shapeways search is the worst. The damned worst.

You mean "trains" is not  specific enough for you?
I found the Aushubkuebler right away, not that I was looking for it :facepalm:
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Re: Dover Harbor passenger car
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2017, 11:21:05 AM »
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You mean "trains" is not  specific enough for you?

Unfortunately, you can look in "trains" on Shapeways, and not get all the trains.  You can search " N scale " and not get all the N scale, and when I checked the box "1:160" the other day, 1/3 of the hits were Z.  Essentially, it is worse that useless. 

Have a large number of N scale producers abandoned Shapeways recently?  Searching around for stuff the other day, I could not find the North Shore cars, and the IHP stuff wasn't showing up, at least not in my searches, although some CTA cars were showing up under another name.  Or was I just having a hard night with Shapeways search?  I rather suspect the latter.  Could not find any of the HW cars that were being produced recently, although hit on a whole bunch of Z scale car kits that looked like ATSF prototypes scaled down from Walthers or Rivarossi HO cars.

Frankly, I rather preferred the early days of rapid prototyping, when a designer might have masters done via RP, would then fine tune them, cast molds and produce resin kits.  I had a better idea what the final product was going to look like, and I found the castings easier to work with.

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