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CN F units winterization hatch
« on: July 31, 2016, 07:58:47 PM »
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Does anyone make the Canadian National F unit winterization hatch in N scale-or have some photos of them that I can us to make some/ Jim in minnesota

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2016, 08:50:30 PM »
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I have used one from Miniatures by Eric. A quick check of his website shows it still available:
http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/products/nh2-winter-hatch-f-units

Might be worth trying.

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 08:07:10 AM »
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That's the wrong one. CN hatches were much larger.I need a good photo inorder to make a couple.anybody out there have some?

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 09:38:05 AM »
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That's the wrong one. CN hatches were much larger.I need a good photo inorder to make a couple.anybody out there have some?

Jim you are going to have to show us a pic of which one you are looking for. CN used a variety of winter hatches on their F Unit (including the one shown above).

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 12:18:45 PM »
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As Karl mentioned, CN used a number of different winterization hatches over the years and there was a variety within number series. (Including many F3 & F7's that had no winterization hatches)

Be sure to find pictures of the specific prototype you want to model to confirm the details.

Here's some roof shots of the various styles employed by CN...

Here's the MBE NH2 winterization hatch. (as delivered and by far the most common type on CN f-units)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6518jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6519jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6525jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6616jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6628jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6610amb.jpg

A slightly larger winterization hatch. (closer to a SD40 style) (note the rebuilt fan arrangement)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6537jpb.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6633dsa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6302jpC.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6536aga.jpg

A taller version with the same fan arrangement.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6541bga.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6540jpC.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6635m28.jpg

Here's a much larger full width winterization hatch. (Used on some passenger service FP9 and F9B units)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6504jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6531m28.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn6531bga.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6504f21.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6504bgC.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6509m11.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6602m20.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/via/via6604aga.jpg

There was also snow shields on units designated for snowplow service.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn9178bgC.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn9166bga.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn9165d14.jpg
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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2016, 01:12:16 PM »
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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2016, 01:21:19 PM »
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To me, these look like the ones you get when you buy an Intermountain F-unit.

Thomas

Likely based on the same EMD/GMdd prototype. It was a pretty common style used on F units and early road switchers.
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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2016, 04:37:45 PM »
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It's the largest ones on the passenger F9's....anyone make them?

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2016, 05:05:08 PM »
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It's the largest ones on the passenger F9's....anyone make them?

No not in N scale at least. Rapido made the part in HO as a part of their FP9's. 

Those large Winterization Hatches were used on 6501-6509 and 6531 and a few of B units (not sure how many)
They were first added circa 1962.

Here's a couple decent detail shots from Rapido.

http://rapidotrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FP9A_image011.jpg
http://rapidotrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FP9A_image008.jpg

If you're modeling a FP9 (which if you want this hatch you are :)) the Rapido site has two decent articles that should help you with detailing your models.

http://rapidotrains.com/gmd-fp9a-spotters-guide/
http://rapidotrains.com/gmd-fp9a-master-class/
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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2016, 05:20:34 PM »
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A slightly larger winterization hatch. (closer to a SD40 style) (note the rebuilt fan arrangement)

This was not a rebuilt version for the fans, the last group of GMD FP9s were built with two 48" fans in place of the four 36" fans and were rated at 1800 HP, being, in essance GP18s inside the carbody.  They were built side-by-side with late GMD GP9s which also received the two 48" fans.

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Re: CN F units winterization hatch
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2016, 05:22:20 PM »
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This was not a rebuilt version for the fans, the last group of GMD FP9s were built with two 48" fans in place of the four 36" fans and were rated at 1800 HP, being, in essance GP18s inside the carbody.  They were built side-by-side with late GMD GP9s which also received the two 48" fans.

Interesting... Thanks for the corrected info!  :)
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