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PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« on: June 21, 2016, 08:06:16 PM »
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Another thread that mentioned the old Alan Curtis PRR F30 flat car kits made me wonder about this.

Speaking of those F30 kits...  I have three of them, bought back in the day when they were still Alan Curtis kits.
I rather like them. 
Were these ever operated well outside the Pennsy system?  Would it be reasonable to have seen them show up on a west coast train (now that I'm in NP/SP&S world) ?

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 08:13:24 PM »
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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 08:44:29 PM »
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Later then your era but The Penn Central color guide has a picture of a F30D in Butler, Wisconsin. I think your pretty safe having one out west.
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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 08:47:34 PM »
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Later then your era but The Penn Central color guide has a picture of a F30D in Butler, Wisconsin. I think your pretty safe having one out west.

After Trailer-Train was formed in 1955 I think you could find them anywhere.  I'm not sure about before that.

Here's the one's from my lists (1965).

TTX   475021   TRAILER(S)   TF   425   2205   5/19/1965   43   S      CGWZ 501906   
TTX   475021   TRAILER(S)   TF   425   2205   5/13/1965   43   S         
TTX   475021   MEAT   TF   2205   425   5/17/1965   90   N         
TTX   475021   MEAT   TF   2205   425   5/28/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504206 500946   
TTX   475021   TRAILER(S)   TF   253   2531   7/30/1965   41   S         
TTX   475021   TRAILER(S)   TF   1000   2531   5/5/1965   43   S         
TTX   475021   FR MEAT   TF   2313   425   7/28/1965   192   N   BOOKEYS   CGWZ 504033   
TTX   475021   TRAILER(S)   TF   2531   1211   5/9/1965   42   N         
TTX   475090   MEAT   TF   2313   425   5/28/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504029   
TTX   475090   TRAILER(S)   TF   417   2313   5/25/1965   43   S         ICZ3000024 (STEEL)
TTX   475090   TRAILER(S)   TF   417   2254   5/30/1965   43   S         CGWZ504043
TTX   475099   TRAILER(S)   TF   417   2313   5/25/1965   43   S         NYCZ7319
TTX   475099   TRAILER(S)   TF   425   2254   5/28/1965   43   S         TRZ270118 (BLOWERS)
TTX   475099   TRAILER(S)   TF   2313   425   5/27/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504231   
TTX   475120   MDSE   TF   417   2531   5/20/1965   41   S      PRR 200345   
TTX   475120   MEAT   TF   2313   425   5/28/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504045   
TTX   475120   TRAILER(S)   TF   417   2313   5/30/1965   43   S         CGWZ504093
TTX   475120   TRAILER(S)   TF   1000   2531   7/29/1965   41   S         
TTX   475212   TRAILER(S)   TF   425   2205   5/21/1965   43 S   S         CGWZ504252
TTX   475212   BAKE GDS   TF   2531   1211   5/10/1965   92   N         
TTX   475212   MEAT   TF   2205   425   5/25/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504052   
TTX   475212   TRAILER(S)   TF   417   2313   5/18/1965   43   S      DX7353   
TTX   475212   TRAILER(S)   TF   2313   425   5/20/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504272   
TTX   475264   MEAT   TF   2205   425   7/31/1965   192   N      CGWZ 504008   

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 09:23:12 PM »
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1955-56 would be fine.  I'm a little loose on my era.  I am running some stuff that wasn't around until 1954 alongside stuff that disappeared after 1949, so the era is "1948-1956"
Thank you for the info.

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2016, 05:22:13 PM »
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In a word, yes.  There were numerous manufacturers on PRR lines that shipped products around the US, so it is logical that an F30 would be found anywhere in the US.  A few examples include Amercan LaFrance fire trucks, Mack buses and trucks, and Roebling wire rope that could be shipped on F30 flat cars.  It was to the railroad's advantage to ship on-line products in PRR cars.

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2016, 05:35:05 PM »
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LOL, it didn't even occur to me he could be talking about the flat cars and not just the trailer flats.

Then of course they could end up anywhere, just like cars from any road.

Unless cars are in some sort of dedicated service, there's no reason to place any limits on where they could go.

Jason
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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 05:42:17 PM »
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LOL, it didn't even occur to me he could be talking about the flat cars and not just the trailer flats.

Then of course they could end up anywhere, just like cars from any road.

Jason

I believe those were F30d class that were in TT service. Not all D's were in TT service, though.
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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 05:43:18 PM »
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LOL, it didn't even occur to me he could be talking about the flat cars and not just the trailer flats.

Then of course they could end up anywhere, just like cars from any road.

Unless cars are in some sort of dedicated service, there's no reason to place any limits on where they could go.

Jason

I was curious about your response :) but I wasn't certain how many were in TOFC service and how many remained general service flats.
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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2016, 05:54:42 PM »
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I was curious about your response :) but I wasn't certain how many were in TOFC service and how many remained general service flats.
I believe those were F30d class that were in TT service. Not all D's were in TT service, though.

The 1966 ORER still lists 184 F30d's (86) and F30g's (198) in TTX service.

For my freight car roster, the TTX versions are all that matter so I didn't read the question very well.  :oops:

edit: FWIW, the same ORER lists over 1500 of the different PRR F30 type flats in various services.

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 03:32:46 PM »
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Thanks for the follow-ups, guys.  I always liked these cars.  I will tweak them a little, having built them years ago, but the only big thing I see is that I'd like to lower them on the trucks.  It's nice to know I can use them on a northwest themed layout "legitimately".

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Re: PRR F30 Flat Cars on foreign tracks?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 06:52:03 PM »
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I have stalled on this project for like, 6 years.
Maybe I'll use 2004 couplers and see what works.
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