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mecgp7

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Saving Paint?
« on: February 27, 2016, 09:07:29 AM »
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I have several (50+) bottles of Accupaint and some are drying out. Is there a good way to preserve them? I thought combining all the identical colors (e.g. all B&M blue) into a single container might help. For those that have become thick, will thinner save them? Acetone is the thinner for Accupaint.
I thought about having them vacuum packed. Think it would work?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016, 03:16:57 PM »
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Open the paint bottle, then put a piece of cling film over the open bottle neck, then close the bottle and put it overhead, I am storing my paint so for years

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 03:53:52 PM »
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Ah, this subject is very familiar to me. Specifically Accu Paints.  I still have my stash and some of my paints go back to the early 1990s!  Here are the secrets of my success.  :)

I noticed that either the plastic bottles or the plastic lid seal are permeable to the solvent and allow it to evaporate over the years.  My solution was simple: transfer the contents of all the plastic bottles to the standard glass 1oz. Floquil paint bottles.  Problem solved!  Well, almost.  I also added aluminum seals over the standard cardboard seal in the Floquil caps.

I made the seals using the thicker aluminum foil used in disposable baking pans. I  took one of the cardboard seals and used it as a template to draw circles in the aluminum sheet and then cut out the seals. 

These 2 things took care of evaporation. How do I know?  Another anal thing I do is to mark the paint level every time I close the bottle.    This is how I use my paints:

When I need certain paint I shake the bottle until the paint is mixed. I open the bottle and clean both the seal inside the lid and the neck of the bottle. Using a pipette I then transfer the paint to my airbrush.  Then I tighten the lid and shake the bottle couple of times (to get the paint into the area between the glass lid and the aluminum seal (to hopefully use the paint itself ans an extra seal).  I them leave the bottle on my bench until the paint settles down.   Then I take a fine-tip Sharpie marker and on the outside of the bottle I mark the paint level and then I write the date like 02-16 (MM-YY).   That is not needed but it is just for my curiosity to see how much evaporation happens in how much time.  I then store the paint upright in a drawer.

As I said, some of my paints have not been opened for decades and there has been very little evaporation. Having the mark on the bottle lets me know exactly how much thinner I need to add next time I open the bottle.

I know that this seems very anal and time consuming but to me it really isn't.  To me it is well worth the effort.

Accu Paint thinner is not just acetone. It also has some other stuff like Polysolve.  But acetone is the ingredient which evaporates the fastest.   If you need to add a lot of solvent then I would add about a 1/4 worth of the Accu Pint thinner (to replenish the other ingredients) and then the remaining 3/4 of acetone.

Some of my paints are over 25 years old and still perfectly usable. Unlike enamels which harden by chemical reaction (and cannot be thinned by just adding thinner), Accu Paints are lacquers. If they thicken or dry up, adding solvent makes them as good as new.

Vacuum packing doesn't seem like a good idea as it is not the air which makes paint dry - it is evaporation of the solvent. In vacuum the solvent will evaporate even easier than in ambient air.

Also, since Tru Color paints were introduced, there is less of a need to hold onto our precious Accu Paints. Tru Color is basically the same stuff.
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mecgp7

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 05:23:08 PM »
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I did learn today that Accupaint thinner is not just Acetone. I am assuming that the Tru-Color thinner will work. Originally I tried using plastic from plastic baggies to help seal the caps.
It hasn't been all that successful.

I think I will purchase the  bottle of Tru-Color thinner and some quality bottles. Use the thinner to get some of the thicker paints to flow and then combine all the same colors into one bottle as I have multiple bottles of the same color.

Grateful that Tru-Color took over the paint. I loved Accupaint and was saddened to see it go.

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 05:49:44 PM »
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Peteski, I thought I was anal by labeling the date I bought an item on the bottle!  It is a habit I developed in the lab and I even label batteries (OK, I admit I also sometimes label food packages too  :facepalm:).  I have acrylic paints that date to the late 1990s with no special storage and they are still fine.  I prefer the Vallejo-style bottles for my mixes (you can buy them at art stores) because they don't get the crusty edges I find in the larger paint containers. 

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 05:55:22 PM »
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Peteski, I thought I was anal by labeling the date I bought an item on the bottle!  It is a habit I developed in the lab and I even label batteries (OK, I admit I also sometimes label food packages too  :facepalm:).  I have acrylic paints that date to the late 1990s with no special storage and they are still fine.  I prefer the Vallejo-style bottles for my mixes (you can buy them at art stores) because they don't get the crusty edges I find in the larger paint containers.

Same here - I guess there are at least two of us...  :)

You want to hear weird?  I also write a date I install batteries in devices like clocks or other ones where the batteries are seldom replaced. I do that simply to see how long the batteries last (I see the old date when I replace them).  I also write down (on a piece of paper inside the box) a date I tuned up (cleaned/lubed) a model locomotive.
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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 05:59:10 PM »
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You win!  Those are great ideas...

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2016, 05:59:44 PM »
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I have always used lacqer thinner for my accu paint.  I have better results than with acetone. I find that even "gelled"  accupaint can be brought back with lacqer thinner...

On a related note, Accupaint MEC yellow and Tru color MEC are NOT the same .....grrrrrr.....

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 08:12:24 PM »
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Okay Scott and Peteski which of you two straighten out shower mats on the floor and bath towels on railings? LOL.
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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 08:31:26 PM »
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Guilty  :D

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2016, 08:42:24 PM »
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I just can't help myself.  :oops: :facepalm: 
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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2016, 12:18:52 AM »
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Being somewhat lazy, I take another tack with my Polly-Scale and Accu-Flex paints.  Instead of improved inner seals, I put a piece of plastic over the outside, with a rubber band below the lid.  That seems to take care of the problem, but I'm not sure how it would work with non-water based paints.
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mecgp7

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2016, 05:33:50 AM »
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I have always used lacqer thinner for my accu paint.  I have better results than with acetone. I find that even "gelled"  accupaint can be brought back with lacqer thinner...

On a related note, Accupaint MEC yellow and Tru color MEC are NOT the same .....grrrrrr.....

Not the same? That is what I was worried about. All the more reason to try to save what little Accupaint I have left. Is there a specific kind of lawyer thinner that you use? Brand name?

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2016, 10:37:45 AM »
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I have always used lacqer thinner for my accu paint.  I have better results than with acetone. I find that even "gelled"  accupaint can be brought back with lacqer thinner...

On a related note, Accupaint MEC yellow and Tru color MEC are NOT the same .....grrrrrr.....

I have gotten some Tru Color MEC paint but not used it yet, how does it compare to Accupaint and Atlas factory paint?

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Re: Saving Paint?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2016, 11:29:41 AM »
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I store the bottles turned upside down.  Gino Pranzo from Steel Rail Lines shared that tip with me (RIP).  I really dont recall finding a bottle that was dried out after opening the cap since...  but there could be an exception.

Jeff