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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2015, 09:39:27 PM »
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If they did Conrail it would be a fooby, like the GN, BN and Amtrak "Fall Folliage" cars are.  The Conrail car, now owned by Norfolk Southern, is a former ATSF Budd car.

Ah, rats.  I wanted to paint the undec in NS colors.  Oh, well. :oops:
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2015, 09:47:55 PM »
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Ah, rats.  I wanted to paint the undec in NS colors.  Oh, well. :oops:

Just be sure to get the letters in "Delaware" crooked!

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2015, 11:05:21 PM »
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Someone obviously squished the "DELAWARE" together and the two "A"'s pushed the "W" up.  :trollface:
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2015, 11:38:02 PM »
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Man, so close, but no cigar.

Oh well, maybe it's a sign of things to come.

If anyone has a LookModel ATSF car they want to sell, PM me.   :trollface:


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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2015, 01:55:35 AM »
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The GN cars can be made from the Bachmann model using Brass Car Sides conversion sides, or can be kitbashed following an old MR article.  That ones based on the HO model, but the techniques are identical, just use thinner plastic.  I've done them both ways, and it's a tossup which look better, and which are harder to do.

Also, unless Centralia has corrected their Big Sky Blue, I wouldn't buy that one for anything except repainting.  I have one of their coaches, and the blue is far too dark for BSB.  The picture above looks fairly close, but that doesn't mean the actual paint will...

Finally, why did they use 1394, Prairie View, for both the GN EB and BSB cars? 

For anyone wanting a complete set of the "GN" cars, 1395, River View, owned by the CB&Q, was repainted for the BN, in their standard "hockey stick" scheme, before Amtrak took over.  I'm a little surprised that that one wasn't done, since the colors are the same as the GN experimental scheme.

As far as I know all of the cars were repainted from EB before the merger, so an EB car wouldn't be found in Amtrak service.
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2015, 06:01:37 AM »
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Boy that "finish a kitbash, THEN..." curse that brings out a commercial model is still potent, eh?

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=36060.msg426311#msg426311

Maybe I can pry the brass sides off that Bachmann car and stick them on the Centralia dome -- hopefully the trucks are correct.





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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2015, 08:41:50 AM »
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Boy that "finish a kitbash, THEN..." curse that brings out a commercial model is still potent, eh?

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=36060.msg426311#msg426311

Maybe I can pry the brass sides off that Bachmann car and stick them on the Centralia dome -- hopefully the trucks are correct.

You're not going to want to do that as the P-S dome is different than the Budd dome, including the glass at the top.  You have the most accurate version of what you are trying to build.

Without other plastic Milwaukee Road passenger cars to go with it, this model is unfortunately a bit of an orphan at the moment.  I hope it doesn't dissuade anyone from tooling the rest of the Olympian or Morning Hi's...  But, the information and drawings were available so it was a clean model to design.

For legs and a project to fit current holes in the N scale line-up, a nicely tooled Santa Fe full dome would have been a great choice.  Lots of legs since the cars were built to last and ended up all over the place, and it's one of about 3 key ATSF cars missing from the Kato line-up.  It would have had lots of add-on sale opportunity for owners of all the Kato sets, and for a lot of schemes post-Santa Fe. 
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2015, 09:32:11 AM »
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Yes, a Kato Santa Fe full dome would be great. I just picked up a copy of Stout, Santa Fe Through Passenger Service in Color, vol. 2, and the dome is much needed.

I haven't seen a Look Models full dome car listed on the auction site in years.
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 10:55:18 AM »
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Well, I'm excited by the coming of a Superdome.   Ten of the schemes that are announced are indeed correct for this car, and four are (incorrect on this car) schemes for the ex-GN Great Dome:

GN (3 paint schemes)
Amtrak Fall Foliage.

In addition, there are at least two appropriate schemes that they have not announced - the Napa Wine Train and the Spirit of Washington (the latter had false stainless steel corrugations applied).  I've not idea if there is a market for decorated dinner train cars.

Although there aren't a lot of read-to-run Milwaukee cars available, there are plenty of components available (especially from Brass Car Sides) for anyone willing to built their own.
Even better, both Skytop cars along with a coach, a parlor car and a baggage car are available as kits from (where else?) Skytop Models.

I'm also (even more so) excited by the re-run of the PS coaches in NKP

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2015, 11:32:10 AM »
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Well, I'm excited by the coming of a Superdome.   Ten of the schemes that are announced are indeed correct for this car, and four are (incorrect on this car) schemes for the ex-GN Great Dome:

GN (3 paint schemes)
Amtrak Fall Foliage.

In addition, there are at least two appropriate schemes that they have not announced - the Napa Wine Train and the Spirit of Washington (the latter had false stainless steel corrugations applied).  I've not idea if there is a market for decorated dinner train cars.

Although there aren't a lot of read-to-run Milwaukee cars available, there are plenty of components available (especially from Brass Car Sides) for anyone willing to built their own.
Even better, both Skytop cars along with a coach, a parlor car and a baggage car are available as kits from (where else?) Skytop Models.

I'm also (even more so) excited by the re-run of the PS coaches in NKP

George

It's definitely one of the harder cars to build if you want a Hiawatha! 

Yes, a Kato Santa Fe full dome would be great. I just picked up a copy of Stout, Santa Fe Through Passenger Service in Color, vol. 2, and the dome is much needed.

I haven't seen a Look Models full dome car listed on the auction site in years.
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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2015, 03:02:59 PM »
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I'm interested to know if the Ontario Northland car will have fluted sides.  The artwork has a fluted kind of look to it. I know that these cars didn't have fluting the but ONR car came from BC Rail's Pacific Starlight Dinner Train(nee some other dinner train) and had Budd style fluting to match the other stainless equipment in the consist. I built a model using a resin she'll and USP fluting but this car would be a much better representation, especially if the windows are flush fitting.

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2015, 04:01:58 PM »
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I'm interested to know if the Ontario Northland car will have fluted sides.

I seriously doubt that it will... it is likely just to be paint.  The corrugation is not Budd... it is closer to fiberglass corrugation sometimes used for awnings over a house's porch... just don't know if it is plastic or metal.

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2015, 04:56:33 PM »
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I rode on that car when it was part of the Spirit of Washington dinner train around 2002.  The corrugations were metal, but much shallower than Budd corrugations.  They were just a cosmetic veneer over the real sides.  I'm guessing the model will use something like a shadow-line paint job to simulate that.

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 08:10:24 PM »
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I, as well, wish Kato would do a Santa Fe Big Dome so I can repaint it into NS 24 Delaware, as well as do an Amtrak 10031 "Ocean View" in both Phase IVb and the current Phase III.

Maybe I just don't understand it, but why wouldn't they have offered at least Milwaukee Road number 53. I'm sure it would have sold better than the other two, I know I would have picked it up for a rainy day in hopes that #156 Cedar Rapids and/or Milwaukee #261 was ever done in N scale.

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Re: Centralia Superdome Passenger cars
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2015, 09:11:02 PM »
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Maybe I just don't understand it, but why wouldn't they have offered at least Milwaukee Road number 53. I'm sure it would have sold better than the other two, I know I would have picked it up for a rainy day in hopes that #156 Cedar Rapids and/or Milwaukee #261 was ever done in N scale.

Might be because of the paint scheme applied... I suspect we yet will see the later paint scheme being applied with the #53 on it once they get past the first run... a better scheme in my opinion but I know that MILW had a number of schemes over the years.  Just be patient... it will yet be offered.