More new container offerings

[ljudice]

RockyRails is like the Deluxe of Europe and makes several 1/160 container cars and of course the very nice containers.

- ljj

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Both Rocky Rail and HobbyTrain are producing Euro specific intermodal cars and the containers are just accessories for these cars.

I will be getting photos together soon, but want to make a dedicated thread for that. I am waiting to get some more products in before I start this. I don't want to update the same post 100 times and have you guys miss items because they were updated after you read the thread.

On the subject of the Arnold 40' boxes. Both Interail and MTL 40' containers are the same height (8 feet) as the Arnold ones. So it does look like this was a standard at some point. Whether Arnold chose prototype schemes for these models, I do not know. But until proven wrong, I'm going to go with Ed's rule.

[jagged ben]

On the subject of the Arnold 40' boxes. Both Interail and MTL 40' containers are the same height (8 feet) as the Arnold ones. So it does look like this was a standard at some point. Whether Arnold chose prototype schemes for these models, I do not know. But until proven wrong, I'm going to go with Ed's rule.

Evidently you're right about an 8' high standard, as I found some allusions to this on Wikipedia and some other info online.   However, the Arnold containers are in a style and modern schemes that makes no sense for that height.

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Take a look at the first photo in this link.
http://containerhomes.net/nuevo_sitio_containerhomes/Productos_y_Precios.html

The containers pictured are square, meaning they are indeed 40x8x8. They are also relatively modern and the Mearsk scheme is a good match for the Arnold can.

Here is an older Mearsk exterior post:
http://s3.racingjunk.com/ui/2/46/37403462-498-40x8x8-Aluminum-Storage-Container.jpg

Looking at cubic foot capacity, a 40x8x8 can should be somewhere in the 2000-2100 range. The 40x8x8.5 appears to be around 2300 and the "hi-cube" is about 2600.

I have now spent an hour looking at capacity data on photos of containers in Flickr (man that is a lot of prepositions). Found nothing so far...

[James Costello]

On the subject of the Arnold 40' boxes. Both Interail and MTL 40' containers are the same height (8 feet) as the Arnold ones. So it does look like this was a standard at some point. Whether Arnold chose prototype schemes for these models, I do not know. But until proven wrong, I'm going to go with Ed's rule.

What are the container type codes on the Arnold models Dan?

[ljudice]

FWIW, the Hobbytrain and Minitrix Tank containers fit perfectly in US well cars....

[svenskN]

I got to make a comment about the Rocky-containers.
They're supposed to be that wide since they depict a wider kind of container that are made to load two rows of the most common pallet used in europe (EUR-pallet) which measures 120×80 cm.Sorry but dont know what that will compare to in feet and inches!?

If you search for pallet wide containers you find them but I dont know if they are common and which companies whom have them in their fleet.

This is facts that I got from a person who wrote a book about container-traffic in modell and he has been in contact with the Rocky-rail company about this and they say it is a modell of a pallet wide container.

With kind regards Björn

P.s I hope you can read my english,I'm from Sweden so it might be a lot of errors.

[Scottl]

Bjorn,

Thanks for this information, it helps to understand these different offerings of container.

Regards

[svenskN]

No problem

If there are more questions about european items,please ask.
I think that I can help in some cases.
I'am intrested in modern intermodular traffic but with the european touch since I live here.
As you for sure know there are both differences and similarities and its always intresting to hear what items show up at the american market since it can be useful for us on the "other side"
And the other way around of course....

With kind regards, Björn

[daniel_leavitt2000]

I thought they might be euro spec, but the paint they make them in is standard ISO schemes. So they would not be correct if they were indeed euro spec. One thing I did notice is that the corner castings are not sunken in like euro spec containers. Also, I thought that euro containers used shallow side stiffeners like in Plate Walk trailers. The Rocky Rail models show a more conventional corrugated construction.

[svenskN]

It's a jungle out there 

There are different types of these pallet wide containers and other european solutions.Some of them have the sunken in corners some dont if my amateur research is right.

When it comes to the paintschemes im not sure what you mean but you can find for example CAI and Seaco marked palletwide containers with the same color and logos as their standard ISO containers.
Though when it comes to Rocky-rails choices I haven't found for example MSC,Maersk,Cosco variants so they may very well be not prototypical nor have I found 40' HCPW containers from CAI and Seaco.45' containers do exist from the two last mentioned

When it comes to european prototypes you got other solutions thats combining road and rail specs.
I dont see these as real (ISO)"containers".

In swedish they're called "växelflak" in germany they say wechselpritschen and the english term I think  are swap-body.
Some of the modern ones look a lot like containers but most of them are not possible to stack for example.
The ones that look like containers often has the sunken in corners.

They are more like the upper part of a trailer with a variety of different sidings and I think many of them have the shallow stiffeners you mention but when it comes to "real" containers  I think the most common is the deeper corrugated one.

I might have missed a lot in my description since the variety is really vast.

With kind regards Björn.

[ljudice]

Any comments on the ConCor 45' containers showing up at modeltrainstuff.com?

Some of the schemes are wrong for that box, like the BBC one for sure....

[daniel_leavitt2000]

The 45' containers are wrong all the way around... Too wide. Their 48 and 53 foot boxes scale out ok, but those rivets drive me nuts. Also I don't like those top facing pins. Why would they do that?

[jagged ben]

That's new tooling from Con-Cor.   (Dan, did you take a look?  They're corrugated.) 

Interesting.   I guess they call them 'Euro' because the are too wide.  Which they probably decided to do in order to make them compatible with their other containers, but not to scale for actual ISO containers as seen in the US?

They will probably fit in most 48 and 53 wells.   Kinda convenient for Con-Cor that there are no 45' N scale well cars out there.  They won't exactly 'look right' with other manufacturer's 40' containers (exception?:  Rocky Rail), but a lot of people might not realize that.

I'm somewhat tempted by the Yang Ming scheme.

[cfritschle]

The new Con-Cor containers are described as "45' Corrugated "Euro 45" Containers".

They sure appear to be the pallet wide containers that Bjorn described a few posts up.  (sorry, but I don't know how to make the umlaut.)

Carter