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carlso

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UPP 9336
« on: September 19, 2014, 11:10:17 AM »
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UPP 9336 is the box car that UP uses in their heritage trains. As I understand, it is a 60' double plug door, non roof walk unit running on some sort of high speed passenger trucks.

I suppose KATO did not want the expense of a new tooling but I don't understand why they did not commission MT to make one for their new fleet.

So, my question is, has anyone looked for or found a box car to repaint and decal for this unit? I have found a nice set of decals and two cars. One car is a 50' Evans double plug door car without roof walk. It looks exactly like the 9336 except it is only 50' The other one is a waffle sided 60' with roof walk that would require a lot of work. I intend to add the doorways into each end of car a la prototype. I am thinking about using the 50 footer and let it be what it is. I don't count that many rivets

Any suggestions appreciated.

Carl
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 12:08:05 PM »
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You mean this one? http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2990059

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I think it was scrapped, so it would be "that UP used in their heritage trains." Other than needing all-new tooling, it could easily explain why Kato justified not to do it. I think UP is using another car now, but I haven't seen the train since the wreck.

Don't ignore that this was a converted express car, so it is significantly shorter (in height) than a regular boxcar. I have a half-finished (like everything else on my bench) model of this. What I did was splice two MTL 50' express reefers together at the door, resulting in a surprisingly close model. The splice worked-out well that way, even matching the roof corrugations, although my ham-fisted attempts patching the roof ends after removing the ice hatches is why it's mouldering on my bench and shying-away from the airbrush.

Anyway... start with a couple of express reefers, and slice and dice. The closest trucks I could find were some old Con-Cor roller bearing trucks, to which I added bits to represent the outboard hanger hardware.
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 12:45:30 PM »
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Thanks Mike,

Yep, that is the one. My understanding is that the car was "fixed" and is in current use.

Regardless, I just found a car to use. It is 60', riveted sides, double plug doors, no roof walk, and low ladders on each end. I think it is perfect, or at least "close enough". Of all brands it is a ConCor.

Carl
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 12:58:32 PM »
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Mike and Carl, would you mind posting photos of each of your projects? If the Con-Cor is a good match, I'd like to be on the lookout for one.

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 03:01:47 PM »
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UP has several of these cars in MW and steam-related service. Here are two of them, both lettered for rotary use, but on the Big Boy ferry run earlier this year.

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These were originally equipped with steam heat lines and used in mail storage service in the 1960s. You could find them all over the US in passenger-express service pre-Amtrak.

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 03:59:13 PM »
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Ryan,

I just ordered it today. When it comes in, I'll post a picture of it and the decals.

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2014, 04:04:54 PM »
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Ryan,
I just ordered it today. When it comes in, I'll post a picture of it and the decals.
Carl

Cool, thanks Carl. Do you have a product number for it or was it used?

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2014, 05:31:12 PM »
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It was off Ebay. The ref' # is 251368656952.
The Con-Cor item # is 0001-005562.

I just looked at Con Cor's web page and that style car is not even listed, however their site really sucks and has not been updated in some time. BTW theseller on Ebay was a person named Pat Conway.

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014, 05:58:11 PM »
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link to Spookshow showing this Con-cor car http://www.spookshow.net/freight/cc60ddbox.html

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2014, 02:12:55 AM »
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I have that GN car.  It takes a little work, but it can be turned into a nice car, without having to repaint it.  Since you're going to repaint yours anyway, it should make a nice project.
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2014, 03:48:39 AM »
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 :|      Micro Trains offers a much improved version of this car (there were several builders), including their version of the GN Green car. Main difference is the MT car models the way these cars were originally delivered with a roof walk. Detailing is much nicer, the Con Cor cars, I have quite a few of, because oftheir almost flat ends were among the first cars Con Cor did with end reporting numbers. Back to what you want to convert it into. The Con Cor car is cheaper and easy to find used so I would go with one of those. Nate Goodman (Nato). Salt Lake, Utah.

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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 10:27:30 AM »
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Thanks Mike,

Yep, that is the one. My understanding is that the car was "fixed" and is in current use.

Regardless, I just found a car to use. It is 60', riveted sides, double plug doors, no roof walk, and low ladders on each end. I think it is perfect, or at least "close enough". Of all brands it is a ConCor.

Carl

that car is no longer in use...
far too damaged in Round Rock at the Georgetown RR site to be salvaged...it was a very bad weekend for the 844 excursion train that particular run. First, drivers getting flat spots; being deadheaded to Georgetown RR (they had the nearest drop table)...then the express box being rammed by a couple of Georgetown RR gons....

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but the express box was an iconic addition for as long as I can remember...
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 10:55:17 AM »
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Thanks Bruce for that info.

I will model the 9336 because I have a video of it in El Paso with 844.

Carl
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 01:37:27 PM »
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Nato:  I also have the MT version.  For the GN cars in the early BN era neither is perfect, but they have different flaws.  The biggest problem with the MT car is that very strange coupler mount.  The easiest way to improve the car is to cut the entire end of the floor off, replace it with a piece of plastic, and mount a 1025 on a brass strip to simulate a cushion underframe.

On the other hand, the wheelbase on the CC car is too long for the GN, although correct for some roads.  There I cut the floor in half, removed a section, and filled the end gaps with plastic, just like on the MT car. 

They don't look right together, because they're obviously NOT the same, but the CC car can be made into a nice, if somewhat generic, car.  Mine came with the early CC trucks, with lo-pro metal wheels, and still has the original trucks.
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Re: UPP 9336
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 11:17:12 PM »
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It has been a while but here are the decals and the CC car with end doors installed. A lot of clean up and more work on ends .................





Not sure about the trucks, the CC car has low profile metal wheels but sideframe doesn't look right. I got some KATO passenger trucks that may look better. I shall see. This is for pre Georgetown. I have a video of it in Santa Teresa, New Mexico so that is the way I want to run my train. That means I will have to use the SP heritage unit with the train.

I am going too use Tru-color paints in my airbrush.

Carl
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Southern New Mexico N Scalers, Las Cruces, New Mexico