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Thanks for looking and commenting, Jim.I went and looked at a historical topo map from 1966 that I downloaded here: USGS US Topo and Historical Topographic Map Collectionand then there was actually a spur that went in between two buildings at the elevator.I also had the spur for the warehouse reversed.So Monticello was actually more like this:
Welcome to Railwire Tad. I remember your earlier AD&N from Trainboard (I think it was) and always liked your approach. I'm really impressed with the thought that went into your new plan and I think it will be very rewarding layout to operate.
I have a few comments for your consideration:* Have you thought through the elevation profiles along the line and estimated what your deck separations will be everywhere? One area that looks problematic is along the right wall and across the doorway. In order to connect the two decks with a nolix, the spacing here will have to be very tight, and you have a rather tricky arrangement of tracks for the gate itself since there will be tracks at three different - but closely spaced - levels. I think you should mock that up to see how it will really work. On my layout, I have two decks crossing the door and I made the upper deck (which is the summit of my line at ~66" height) a permanent duck-under. I have no regrets about that, but you might not be able to do the same with yours.
* Your staging scheme is conceptually rich but possibly overly complex, and the ratio of storage area to total area is quite low. I'm also worried that the lower level will be really hard to access given the depth of the shelf.
* Do you really want to bother with a helix between staging levels? They take up a lot of everything: space, time, and track, and as far as I can tell, its only function is to carry trains between staging levels between sessions (if I understand your scheme correctly). You could achieve the same result by, e.g., running a train from lower staging out to Willow Junction, run around there and proceed to the upper staging via Fountain Hill. It would probably take the same amount of time as traversing the helix.
* I also don't see the need for two balloon tracks on each level. Surely you can turn any train you need to with one, no? If it were me, I would greatly expand the length, and maybe the number, of storage tracks and make the shelf a lot narrower. Something like this should achieve what you're after and give your more storage: | | | | |\ ______________________________________________________________________________/ | |/ \| | | \_________________________________yard tracks_______________________________________/Sorry for the crude sketch - I can clarify if you're interested and the diagram is unclear. The idea is to let you enter either end of the yard from either lead. Again, I really like the plan, and your adherence to the prototype virtually guarantees an interesting operation. Please keep us posted!-Gary
Thanks for the explanation. I still tend to agree with Gary that I think some of our space utilization wizards on TRW could help reengineer the staging area for more efficiency. Any layout with a paper mill draws my interest. I'm proto lancing one on my freelanced layout.
Tad,Welcome to The Railwire and thanks for sharing your vision with us. It looks like you have a very nice space in which to work. The AD&N seems like a great prototype and I have always admired their stylish paint scheme on the boxcars. Who would have thought at the time that the 1970s would be a golden age of creative schemes?One quick comment on your track plan. It looks like your yard ladders are laid out with the turnouts linked directly together without any short sections in between. I may be wrong, but I think that this will result in yard tracks that are too close together. Something to take a look early in the planning stage.Best wishes, Dave
Clarification would be cool. The board kind of mangled your sketch. Would you recommend a different type of ladder for the staging yard?
These are #7s but the point remains that you probably can't just link turnouts together in a yard an get the proper track spacing.