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Hopper ID
« on: December 04, 2012, 10:55:40 PM »
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I see these hoppers in Kaolin clay service in town all the time. Anyone know what kind of hoppers these are? (these aren't my pics, hence links) Thanks for any information!

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2602046

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=595511
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 11:00:00 PM »
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one more good shot I found

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2782135

I'm guessing these may be PS-2 hoppers, but I'm not completely positive
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 11:56:49 PM »
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Those are ex-CR (nee-PC) H54 class cars. The steel plate at the bottom of the end ladders/bracing is the dead giveaway. They are indeed P/S products.

http://railyardmodels.com/4785cuftps2cd.html

http://thecrhs.org/ConrailEquipment/FreightCars/CoveredHoppers/3Bay/H54
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 01:22:18 AM »
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Quote from: GonzoCRFan on December 04, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Those are ex-CR (nee-PC) H54 class cars. The steel plate at the bottom of the end ladders/bracing is the dead giveaway. They are indeed P/S products.

http://railyardmodels.com/4785cuftps2cd.html

http://thecrhs.org/ConrailEquipment/FreightCars/CoveredHoppers/3Bay/H54

Don't think so the rib count isn't even the same.

Ex-SOU class HCS 25.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=615526

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1936078

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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 12:12:49 PM »
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Thanks guys; Jason's makes a bit more sense, being that the line is in the heart of the Southern's area (South Carolina); there may be a mix of both though. Thanks!
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 02:43:59 PM »
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Definitely Pullman-Standard.
Definitely ex-Southern, not Conrail.
Definitely no models available.
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 10:44:21 PM »
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It's a PS2-CD 4000... just not built in the early 60s... interesting car to say the least.
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2012, 09:27:36 PM »
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I'll be damned, I didn't know any other cars got the rolled end plate. Nevermind, then.
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2012, 09:31:58 PM »
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Sorry, I have no idea what many of the specific parts of the freight car are; where is the rolled endplate on the car? I'm guessing from the name it's the plate at the end of the car, but what makes it rolled? I there no weld seam and it's just one sheet of metal?
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2012, 11:12:17 PM »
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The vertical plate across the end of the car, right above the end sill, just inside the ladder cage (not part of the car body). This has a bit of a curl in the top which Sean's referring to as "rolled". (Although I'm not sure if it's not just bent over and not rolled (which is a specific metalworking term). It could be.) Anyway, this design feature is unique to Pullman-Standard.

And I can come up with a few more examples that these ex-SOU and the ex-NYC/PC Conrail cars Sean's thinking of, so it's not only one particular model that had this feature.

See also:
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plcx42659&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plcx43148&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?o=ptlx&i=plcx43614_2
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plwx44564&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=pcb889750&o=pc
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cr888945&o=conrail
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx35227&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx35248&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx36013&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx38567&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41100&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41676&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41817&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx42196&o=ptlx

You get the idea. :)
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2012, 11:15:23 PM »
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Actually, the old RailYard Models page referenced above also lists a whole bunch of other owners and number series that match the 4785, the specific car that PC/CR also had.
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 11:20:30 PM »
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Thanks Chris, learn something new everyday  8)
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 12:24:56 AM »
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Quote from: cv_acr on December 06, 2012, 11:12:17 PM
The vertical plate across the end of the car, right above the end sill, just inside the ladder cage (not part of the car body). This has a bit of a curl in the top which Sean's referring to as "rolled". (Although I'm not sure if it's not just bent over and not rolled (which is a specific metalworking term). It could be.) Anyway, this design feature is unique to Pullman-Standard.

And I can come up with a few more examples that these ex-SOU and the ex-NYC/PC Conrail cars Sean's thinking of, so it's not only one particular model that had this feature.

See also:
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plcx42659&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plcx43148&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?o=ptlx&i=plcx43614_2
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=plwx44564&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=pcb889750&o=pc
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cr888945&o=conrail
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx35227&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx35248&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx36013&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx38567&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41100&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41676&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx41817&o=ptlx
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ptlx42196&o=ptlx

You get the idea. :)


Nice photos!!!  While more than one model had these unique end stiles... it's there because the car has no center sill.
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Re: Hopper ID
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 09:26:32 AM »
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Re: Hopper ID
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