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Alwyn Cutmore

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Bachmann N Scale RS3
« on: October 22, 2011, 09:41:46 PM »
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Hi Folks,

As indicated in the Product Release thread the Bachmann RS3 is out and about
with the only model missing in action from the NMRA release data being the model
from B&M. I will list the links to the best proprietory photos I could find:

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-Alco-RS3-p/bac-64252.htm

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-Alco-RS3-p/bac-64253.htm

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-Alco-RS3-p/bac-64254.htm

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-Alco-RS3-p/bac-64256.htm

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-Alco-RS3-p/bac-64255.htm

While the price at MB Klien is great you may have you favourite hobby shop to
deal with. On the links above the best photos for preview are the enlarged item.

My current observations of the model are only computer generated visuals there
are few points I would make about the PRR model. Some I am pleased with while
others are down right poor.

I will start with the poor points first. The PRR model shows a road number of
5604 and it is also reported in all promotions as being 5604. The number 5604
for RS3s in the PRR did not exist if the Withers publication on the ALCO RS
series locos is to be believed. Even under the re-numbering of the locos prior
to the formation of the Pen Central. The highest number in the re-numbered
scheme was 5584 and it would appear that such re-numbering took place for all
the units that remained in the fleet in the years 1966/67. Not only does the
number appear to be wrong but it is the wrong size. When all units were
re-numbered they were given larger numbers, not the six inch letter shown but
the much larger and bolder eighteen inch lettering.I will leave the colour up to
the more experienced RS3 modellers but I believe that to-ward the end of their
life the RS3s had adopted the near black coloration. I do hope that the under
body in the second photo is not as they are being released. If this is the case
then it will be incorrect as the air tank is to the front of the loco (long
hood) as indicated by the F on the corner of the side sill. I do hope they have
only put the fuel tank on back to front. While looking good the silver window
surrounds should be black to indicate the rubber grommet around the windows in
the cab panels. It is fitted with a single chime horn when the were all fitted
with two or three chime horns.But the horn is facing and on the correct end.

The good points: This is the first RTR Plastic model to have the correct Pennsy
alignment of the headlights being vertical. That is one of the things I have to
do to all my Atlas RS3s. Some of the early RS3s had a single headlight like the
RS1. The exhaust stack is applied as they were origionally issued to traffic and
that is across the long hood. The End handrails, steps and shunters steps
(Australian Wordage) (Pilot Steps) are outlined in yellow. A very Nice touch.
The numbers boards are lettered. It appears to be very clean and there are small
road numbers on the ends beside the headlight. This is also correct practice. I
cannot at this time confirm whether the radiator side grills have a mesh safety
cover fitted. The cab also has the correct window arrangements. When I get my
first model to hand I will give a further update on what I find.

Initial overall appraisal. The model does look good. I do hope it is as good as
the GP7. The price fitted with DCC even at the recommended retail price of
$120.00 is pretty darn good. The DCC chip if it is the same as the GP7 is basic
but enough to get one started. The finish looks pretty good but for the more
correct modeller it will not be too much of a hassle to renumber the loco
although now you are eight numbers to change. The MB Klien price is even better
at $69.99. It does look like an RS3 and that is also a bonus. The final
appraisal can only be given when I have a bird in my hand.

Regards
Al Cutmore
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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 09:58:28 PM »
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Excellent post Alwyn.

Much appreciate the information.

The wrong number thing just stuns me.  It's not like it's hard to get a hold of a PRR locomotive roster.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 10:04:19 PM »
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The WM version looks at least as passable as the Atlas model, although it's missing a couple of WM-specific details, including the corner mounted number boards, and the extra battery boxes behind the cab on the fireman's side (LHF).  Neither of these should be expected on a price point plastic model, as they were very specific to one road.  The road number 198 is good, and it looks like the lettering is positioned well and crisply applied.

With a couple of added on details, I can live with the appearance for the price.  The big question, as it always is with Bachmann diesels, is the performance.  The price is only worth it if it works like a $70 locomotive should.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 11:03:24 PM »
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There must be a phase of RS-3 that I'm not aware of.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 11:20:36 PM »
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Hi Lee,

If they are as good as the GP7 they will do me. I had a GP7 on a layout for a whole weekend at a show. Left it with a couple of mates and it ran flawlessly the whole weekend.

Jason,

You need to look at the Pennsy roster of RS3s. There were 99 of them. They were delivered in five batches and so as need dictated the style of loco changed. Fuel tanks, water tanks, short hoods, location of the exhaust stack, window locations, long hood access (some had end grabs while the initial group had side ladders. removal of engine room vents replaced with grills, the radiator grills were operated on a thermostat and if the operator was near them when they closed his clothing or even a hand could get trapped so they covered the grills with mesh. Corner number boards, origional numbers started with the prefix numbers 84, 85, 86, 88 and 89 while the re-numbered units started with the prefix numbers 54 and 55. One was even similar to the WM Hammerhead and I believe it was later sold to the WM.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 11:46:21 PM »
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Jason,

You need to look at the Pennsy roster of RS3s. There were 99 of them. They were delivered in five batches and so as need dictated the style of loco changed. Fuel tanks, water tanks, short hoods, location of the exhaust stack, window locations, long hood access (some had end grabs while the initial group had side ladders. removal of engine room vents replaced with grills, the radiator grills were operated on a thermostat and if the operator was near them when they closed his clothing or even a hand could get trapped so they covered the grills with mesh. Corner number boards, origional numbers started with the prefix numbers 84, 85, 86, 88 and 89 while the re-numbered units started with the prefix numbers 54 and 55. One was even similar to the WM Hammerhead and I believe it was later sold to the WM.

Regards


Sorry Alwyn, I was being facetious.  Too many energy drinks today.


Jason

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 11:56:57 PM »
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Jason,

facetiousnessessess allowed on this thread :D :D :D :D :D

Regards
Al Cutmore
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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 12:09:12 AM »
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I have come to the conclusion that I know nothing about tooling. If I did, I would understand why things get designed a certain way even if that means they will be incorrect.  But if that's what it takes to get a locomotive in at a decent price, then so be it.

I do think, however, getting the front cab windows correct would have gone a long way to improving the looks of the model.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 12:49:36 AM »
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Jason,

Now I look at it I do agree that the windows look out of sorts with the real thing. I do guess that in the case of the PRR unit it is pronounced by the silver surrounds. I guess they do have to leave a bit of meat there for the roof thickness and to get the windows to fit. Making excuses but there will be some reason.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 05:46:21 AM »
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The number issue also existed with the Bachmann Pennsylvania GP7.  The chosen number was a SW, but it was just in a series of GP7's.
Since I have two, I had to renumber anyway and just patched both engines.  Renumbered the cab sides because the font seemed to be not Pennsy, and patched out the number boards.



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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 11:13:13 AM »
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I'm no expert but the font and size of the road number and roadname on the Southern Ry. looks completely wrong to me.  I'm no rivet counter either, so maybe I could live with other deficiencies on the model.  But, errors in the paint and lettering are glaring to me, especially if it turns out that Bachmann worked hard to get the shell's details very close or correct only to drop the ball on decoration.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »
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Could 
be worse.  They could have pulled off an Intermountain 'daily double', getting many road specific details (for the largest owner of tunnel motors) , and paint seperations gone horribly wrong...
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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 03:18:00 PM »
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To not do one in CGW, MSTL or CNW is torture, but from the pictures so far it looks like a real bargain to me. I'll gladly pay $70 and paint and detail them to my own liking, that's part of the fun anyway. I'm very pleased to see more engines in this price range, esp when they are good performers and adequate lookers.

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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 08:13:42 PM »
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To not do one in CGW, MSTL or CNW is torture, but from the pictures so far it looks like a real bargain to me. I'll gladly pay $70 and paint and detail them to my own liking, that's part of the fun anyway. I'm very pleased to see more engines in this price range, esp when they are good performers and adequate lookers.

You are looking for an RS-2.   :ashat:
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Re: Bachmann N Scale RS3
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2011, 09:23:42 PM »
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You are looking for an RS-2.   :ashat:

Um, MSTL would be an RS1. And I am pretty sure C&NW had at least one (former L&M) RS3. Maybe some CSTPM&O units too.
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