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arbomambo

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2014, 01:57:23 PM »
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Finished up the Journal newsprint dock, with some weathering, downspouts for the rain gutters, etc... I got some GHQ forklifts in the mail, and need to build a newsprint clamp for one of them.

Here is the final weathered dock.


I then moved on to working on sidewalks, driveways, and pavement. The parking area near the dock and Lincoln warehouse, while the streets are asphalt. I am pleased with the initial results, but got hung up on sewer grates and manhole covers. I know that there are some etched brass ones, but they are expensive. I tried to cut some sewer grates with my Silhouette digital cutter, but had issues with various materials. Tape, vinyl and paper tore too easily, and I couldn't cut all the way through styrene. After a couple of days of failure, I came upon the solution....vellum drafting paper.

For those that are too young to remember drafting paper, modern vellum is a plasticized cotton product, that has a frosted surface on one side (shiny on the other).  The Silhouette machine uses a tacky cutting mat to feed the paper through it, so I just pressed the paper to the mat. After cutting it, I just pealed them off the mat. I stuck the grates (about .20 by .185 inches for the large ones) to some tape, painted them roof brown, and them dusted them with rusty chalk.



After they dried, I attached them with spray adhesive to some .010 styrene that I painted flat black. I used some dull coat to seal them, cut them out, and painted the edges with some weathered black. Here is the final product, not yet inset into the gutter.



I think these turned out pretty well, so manhole covers are next on the list.

Best wishes, Dave

Loving this build...!
especially interested in the use of the die-cutter...
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2014, 02:52:57 PM »
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Thanks Bruce.

Not sure if you have seen this thread as it hasn't been updated in a while. I refer to it from time to time to remember how I did things. I think that I first heard about these from Jamie/Lashedup, but a number of folks here on TRW have used them, including the late, great Zox. I learned quite a bit from the various folks on this thread.

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=23354.0

I got a sample sheet of the Monster Modelworks clean brick lazerboard to see if the Silhouette can cut it. It is only .015 thick, so there is a chance it will work well. I opted for the HO scale bricks as the N scale basswood is almost too small to see at normal viewing distances. It would be great to have a source of nice styrene brick to use in these machines. I have used this source, but it is ABS and doesn't score and snap as well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221100655826?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2014, 04:04:43 PM »
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Dave,
thank you for those links...you may have answered more than a few questions I had...those bricks for your wall are the Monstermodels  HO bricks?...and, are those sidewalks Monstermodels etched sheets as well?...
I've been looking at his products real hard lately...after the Ntrak module is done and work progresses on the Kingman Canyon layout, I have it in mind to build some freestyle 'city/urban/warehouse district' modules and have been acquiring structures and structure materials....his brick, stone, and concrete sheets look great on the website, and his warehouse/loading dock structures look amazing-
Thanks,
Bruce
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2014, 05:54:21 PM »
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You're welcome Bruce.

The brick on my Pabst Shipping building is the Monster Modelworks 1/32 Basswood N Scale clean brick. I also have the N scale concrete block foundation that I will use on this building. Probably stipple on some modeling past to give it more of a limestone texture.

The sidewalks are just styrene that I scribed with the Silhouette.

Here are the parts I used to make the driveway.



The bricks on the Milwaukee Journal loading dock and the Lincoln Warehouse are the eBay link that I listed. They are slightly oversize but a decent product. The Monster HO bricks are slightly larger than these. I will take a photo tonight showing the comparison between the three. As I said, the ABS bricks take more work to score and snap.  The Silhouette can cut clear through .010 to .015 styrene.  Anything thicker and it is score and snap (for the most part).

The (partly complete) Lincoln Warehouse (eBay ABS bricks). I used the Silhouette to cut the thin concrete "grid" for the side. Really easy and fun to watch (like seeing your kid shoveling snow).



Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2014, 06:02:46 PM »
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Yeah would love to see a side by side comparison of your various brick products you've used.

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2014, 06:33:31 PM »
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This is all coming together really nicely.

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2014, 06:53:15 PM »
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You're welcome Bruce.

The brick on my Pabst Shipping building is the Monster Modelworks 1/32 Basswood N Scale clean brick. I also have the N scale concrete block foundation that I will use on this building. Probably stipple on some modeling past to give it more of a limestone texture.

The sidewalks are just styrene that I scribed with the Silhouette.

Here are the parts I used to make the driveway.



The bricks on the Milwaukee Journal loading dock and the Lincoln Warehouse are the eBay link that I listed. They are slightly oversize but a decent product. The Monster HO bricks are slightly larger than these. I will take a photo tonight showing the comparison between the three. As I said, the ABS bricks take more work to score and snap.  The Silhouette can cut clear through .010 to .015 styrene.  Anything thicker and it is score and snap (for the most part).

The (partly complete) Lincoln Warehouse (eBay ABS bricks). I used the Silhouette to cut the thin concrete "grid" for the side. Really easy and fun to watch (like seeing your kid shoveling snow).



Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.
Best wishes, Dave

fantastic info and thanks, Dave!!!
I had suspected that the cutter would cut chipboard (per my Sweetie's info), but to discover that it can cut .010-.015 styrene is great news...AND I never considered the possibility that it could be used to scribe...
Love the steel sash and concrete  warehouse structures...
and also love using the cutter to cut brick forms to 'brick up' existing window openings in brick buildings...
Thanks for sending more inspiration my way,
Bruce
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2014, 12:05:28 AM »
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As requested, here are the various brick/blocks that I have been working with lately.



First of all, cell phone cameras have really improved! As they say, the camera doesn't lie and I was able to see more detail than with the naked eye.

N scale ruler at the bottom. The full lines are 1 ft increments.

A=eBay ABS brick (http://www.ebay.com/itm/221100655826). Note that I quickly brushed some paint on this to give it some depth and some of the bricks became loafs.

B=Monster Modelworks (MM) HO Scale - Clean Brick 12" X 4" X .015" Lazerboard
http://monstermodelworks.com/HO-Scale/HO-Brick-Sheets/HO-Scale-Clean-Brick-12-X-4-X-015-Lazerboard.html

C= MM N Scale - Concrete Block Starter Foundation Kit
http://monstermodelworks.com/N-Scale/N-Kits/N-Scale-Concrete-Block-Starter-Foundation-Kit.html

D=MM N Scale - Clean Brick 12" X 4" X 1/32" Basswood Sheet
http://monstermodelworks.com/N-Scale/N-Brick-Sheets/N-Scale-Clean-Brick-12-X-4-X-1-32-Basswood-Sheet.html
Not sure if I really got Clean Brick or something else, as if looks a bit rough to me compared to their site photo. I am sending a message to them for clarification.

I think that I am going to try some N scale Lazerboard brick next. It looks like it should cut well with the Silhouette cutter, and I could probably laminate it to a core with double stick tape. I am impressed with the relief that they are able to achieve, both within a brick, and between bricks (ie. some stick out a bit more).

Best wishes, Dave
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2014, 07:40:39 AM »
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So the n scale brick sheet show they can to the brick really small by laser, but I have to wonder about the mortar as well. The HO brick and the N scale starter foundation course look good, and I wouldn't sweat using either of them.
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2014, 11:12:06 AM »
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Yeah,  D is of course to scale but at that level I wonder if half the detail will vanish with paint.

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2014, 11:55:44 AM »
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Just for reference, the N Scale Architect sheets are styrene, if that's what you're looking for:

http://www.thenarch.com/products/american-bond-brick-6th-row-end-n

They have several styles.
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2014, 12:28:14 PM »
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Just for reference, the N Scale Architect sheets are styrene, if that's what you're looking for:

http://www.thenarch.com/products/american-bond-brick-6th-row-end-n

They have several styles.

Thanks Mike. I have some of their stuff, and I can't recall at the moment what my issue was with it. Is this the stuff that looks vacuum formed with relief on both sides of the sheet? I need to dig it out and have another look at it.

Yeah,  D is of course to scale but at that level I wonder if half the detail will vanish with paint.

The detail remains after painting, as seen in the Pabst building on the previous page. However at normal viewing distances of a foot or two, it is hard to see the detail. That is why I ordered the HO scale bricks, to see if a slightly exaggerated size looks better at a distance. As I noted, I am not sure that D is the MM "Clean Brick". They offer a couple of aged brick sheets as well and it is hard to imagine how much rougher it could be made. I have an email into them asking for clarification. The A brick is actually a nice size in my opinion and mainly suffers from the overly large mortar lines. I am happy with the results with it to date, but it is difficult to cut.

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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2014, 03:35:24 PM »
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Thanks Mike. I have some of their stuff, and I can't recall at the moment what my issue was with it. Is this the stuff that looks vacuum formed with relief on both sides of the sheet? I need to dig it out and have another look at it.

The detail remains after painting, as seen in the Pabst building on the previous page. However at normal viewing distances of a foot or two, it is hard to see the detail. That is why I ordered the HO scale bricks, to see if a slightly exaggerated size looks better at a distance. As I noted, I am not sure that D is the MM "Clean Brick". They offer a couple of aged brick sheets as well and it is hard to imagine how much rougher it could be made. I have an email into them asking for clarification. The A brick is actually a nice size in my opinion and mainly suffers from the overly large mortar lines. I am happy with the results with it to date, but it is difficult to cut.

Best wishes, Dave

again,
incredibly useful info for me...especially for the Monster Modelworks products...i'm completely sold on their brick sheets...especially the N scale stuff...am interested in finding out what YOU find out from them concerning the 'random' as opposed to 'clean brick'...regardless, I'll be using plenty of their products now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again,
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Re: Building the Beer Line in N Scale
« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2014, 05:26:56 PM »
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I've been laser-cutting some cobble textures for roads with mixed success


As well as tile roofs


In N scale when you do these things to scale it's really hard not to lose some of the detail, or just not really notice it unless you're up close or a macro photo.  Let me know if you need anything custom,  I could do it for wayyyy cheaper.