Let me state two things. First I am not interested in any of the roads in either the first or second batch so I will not be saving my pennies to buy these. That being said, here is the second thing and let me say that I readily admit that I am not a rivit counter but can anyone tell me what is different about these cars from the Atlas or MDC/Roundhouse/Athearn 3 bay hoppers? I know these are supposedly 70 ton cars and the Atlas are supposedly 90 ton cars but other than that.......................??? Inquiring minds want to know, you know.