Warning! Shipping to distributors in Nov.,on shelves in stores very late Nov., early Dec. most likely. I'd LOVE to be wrong, but it usually works the way I mentioned. No knock on Kato; It's just the "delievery system inertia". Buy $$$$$$ worth and get them direct from Kato, sooner. I hope we get them in time for the OKC Train Show. I have held a "pre-production sample" in my grimey little hands....very,very NICE! The one I saw looked more like "metal" than the Super Chief's (which I had no complaints about at all) but the El Cap's may look better, but I didn't have them side-by side to compare. Just my "impression".