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Reaction to what ?
« on: January 03, 2009, 10:04:25 AM »
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I was kitbashing a passenger car - had cut sides form various Riv heavyweights to "mingle them" into a CPR dining car. I attached the sides to the frame with CA (as usual) and then after it dried I used Taymara putty (as usual) to fill in the gaps.

This morning when I took a look I had a warped, pitted and toasted piece of junk ! - The putty had "burned" holes in the plastic at the joins. The sides were warped and pitted.... anyone here got any ideas what the H - E - double hockey sticks happened ?

Expensive accident - three Riv HW died for this project only to have it end up in the bin ! %$#%$#@$ >:( >:(
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Re: Reaction to what ?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2009, 10:16:14 AM »
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Hard to say. How old were the heavyweights? Sometimes very old styrene will "decompose" when exposed to certain chemicals. Also, what was the environment like where the cars were sitting overnight? Near any open containers of something volatile? Heat? Things like this don't usually happen by accident.
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Re: Reaction to what ?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2009, 10:40:57 AM »
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It was God telling you that you have enough passenger cars...
I expect he will smote me down for my coal hoppers next...

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Re: Reaction to what ?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2009, 12:06:49 PM »
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Well now you can offer us up a test . Being that the cars are ruined , how about making a custom , home grown , shorter than you wanted or wished for MOW passenger car , but instead of using that " Taymara putty of death " , try " Green Squadron " . Tell us if it attacks that same plastic or not .


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Re: Reaction to what ?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 12:14:54 PM »
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Richie: "putty of death - snicker".... I'll fish the beast out of the trash and tru some squardon on the other side...

David: I'm guessing the HW's are 20 plus years old - when did they stop making these things anyway ? As for the environment - 70 degrees, no VOC's or solvents present - standard home humidity....

Lee: Pssssssssss ! (enough passenger car, oh pish posh.......like you have enough Kitty cars....... ;D)
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Re: Reaction to what ?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 02:54:27 PM »
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While I don't know what caused your model to disintegrate the way it did maybe in the future try using CA for filler as a precaution.  The models you are building are quite nice and I would like to think they will stay that way. Unfortunately  solvent based putties tend to shrink over time. Looking back over my HO years this is quite evident! A couple years back at the Rails by the Bay (PNW RPM) meet Gene Fusco put on a clinic covering resin building techniques and the consensus in the room was to use CA, or CA and baking powder for larger gaps. There were some IPMS guys there that swore by it. Since that time I have used thin CA exclusively for filling plastic and resin and come to like the method. A friend who uses this method has decade old models without any dips in the filler and judging by what I see at the model meets that seems like a pretty good barometer for the material's performance.  Keeping fills filled and white paint white seem to be in the same category- I've been caught out by both the last few years- still working on that white paint...

To apply the CA I usually use a round toothpick. Sometimes I cut it down or on angle to get more surface cover or fit a small opening, but it depends on how wide a seam you are  trying to cover. I use thin CA because it is on hand. If more fill is needed I start over by shimming with thin styrene. In either case  wait about a minute or two and decide whether to add another hit of the CA then burnish the surface down with a sharp knife blade. The round tip blades work well for this initial step. From there I sand it down and finish with a flannel shirt.  A pass with a No. 11 blade will guarantee flatness if you have the luxury of working over a large area. If the seams are really small and between battens it is probably best to use a form tool. The CAed tooth pick (CA maintains the edge hardness and shape) +goo+sandpaper would likely do the trick, same as what you use to work with solvent putty. The only real difference between methods is in the working time.

As for your car, can you back cut the seams and fill in with styrene? Perhaps needle emboss the lost rivets in .005" styrene , fillet them off and testors them in place? I bugger stuff up all of the time and have to try and rescue it, supposedly it is part of my "working method."   Hate to see you lose a good car.   


At any rate keep those models rolling! more EB please.

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