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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2008, 04:31:20 PM »
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I guess the baggage mail will be the BM70m.

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=bm70m.gif&sel=baggmail&sz=sm&fr=

Of course to get this you have to buy the set ...  ::)


n/m... someone beat me to the punch...
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2008, 06:58:11 AM »
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Other than stating that it will be a 70' baggage-mail, we really don't know what Kato will produce.

The most prevalent BM-class cars in the 1950s were the BM70k's and the BM70m's. The BM70k has been available for several years as a resin kit from Hell Gate Models. The BM70k's tended to be used more on branch lines with the BM70m's being more common on the main east-west lines.

The "Makeup of Trains" document, which defines what classes of cars go into what trains, calls for a BM70m on the Broadway for much of the post-war era.

However, one of the most common photo subjects on the Broadway has been the "Robert Hannigan", a baggage-mail named after the Postmaster General. This car was one of 29 BM70n/BM70nb cars (I forget which, off hand).

So the quandry is, does Kato make the BM70n that is so widely photographed, but rare, or do they produce the BM70m that was on the other Broadway Limited train set and was more prevalent?

Adding on to that question, will they make spare parts? It is my opinion that they would do well to offer 2- or 4-packs of the BM70m. They would sell!

As it is, I anticipate they will sell a lot more 4-car sets than 10-car sets. The additional 21-roomettes (and to a lesser extent the 4-4-2's) can be used on other trains.

Heck, why not offer twin unit diner sets? Okay, this is quickly breaking down to asking for all the cars separately!!!
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 08:31:11 AM »
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"Heck, why not offer twin unit diner sets? Okay, this is quickly breaking down to asking for all the cars separately!!!"

But this is Kato we are talking about... That's not in their play book.
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 09:05:59 AM »
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The most prevalent BM-class cars in the 1950s were the BM70k's and the BM70m's. The BM70k has been available for several years as a resin kit from Hell Gate Models.

The Hellgate BM70k is not currently available from Hellgate. :(

This N&W class is nearly identical:

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2045.jpeg


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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2008, 04:41:44 PM »
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The Hellgate BM70k is not currently available from Hellgate. :(

I hadn't heard that... any reason why? What about the B60b?

(I have one BM70k left, unopened, available. Have numerous B60b's.)
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2008, 04:45:10 PM »
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The Hellgate BM70k is not currently available from Hellgate. :(

I hadn't heard that... any reason why? What about the B60b?

(I have one BM70k left, unopened, available. Have numerous B60b's.)

He told me they don't have any more. I guess they need to run a new "batch".

He does have the B60.

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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2008, 10:42:12 AM »
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$64,000 question (wow that's not much these days!):

Will Kato get the PRR red correct this time?


IMHO, the past Kato PRR sets were decidedly too Brown.


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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2008, 10:11:17 PM »
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Just received this e-mail.
Kato now has the actual car names posted on the site.

Basic 10-car set #106-068:
BM70M Baggage Mail 6579
12-Duplex 4-Double Bed College Creek Pullman
5-Double Bed Bar-Lounge Harbor Cove Pullman
Diner 4608 ACF
Kitchen-Dormitory 4609 ACF
10-6 Sleeper Octoraro Rapids Pullman
10-6 Sleeper Raccoon Rapids Pullman
10-6 Sleeper Turtle Rapids Pullman
10-6 Sleeper Schuylkill Rapids Pullman
Observation Mountain View Pullman

4-car add-on set #106-7111:
21-Roomette Massillion Inn Budd
21-Roomette Ravenna Inn Budd
4-4-2 Sleeper Imperial Trees Pullman
4-4-2 Sleeper Imperial Bower Pullman

Transcontinental Sleeper #156-905:
Santa Fe 4-4-2 Sleeper Regal Spa ACF



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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2008, 10:52:59 PM »
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4-car add-on set #106-7111:
21-Roomette Massillion Inn Budd
21-Roomette Ravenna Inn Budd
4-4-2 Sleeper Imperial Trees Pullman
4-4-2 Sleeper Imperial Bower Pullman


Oh man, I just realized the Budd sleepers are really close to the N&W budd sleepers:



Close enough for me I think:



« Last Edit: March 25, 2008, 09:42:37 AM by NandW »

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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2008, 08:57:36 AM »
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The car names are listed on Kato USA site.  Just noticed what I think is an error.  They list the Imperial (4-4-2) cars as being built by Pullman.  All post-war 4-4-2 cars were built by ACF.

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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2008, 05:28:35 PM »
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I e-mailed Kato at work today pointing out their error on the 4-4-2 cars (built by ACF not Pullman).  When I got home from work I had received an e-mail back from them stating that I'm correct.  Error was due to a cut and paste error on their part. 
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2008, 12:17:15 PM »
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The Broadway set is tearing me up as there are a few cars I could use, but I can't justify buying the set just to get those cars.

I was able to get the parts for a CZ baggage car to hack up and put sound into.  I would assume that you will be able to get the parts from whatever car body you need from the BL.


Jason

I like the smoothside cars, but Kato quit selling them outside of kits ages ago (all the ones I own are undec bought one at a time).

Just for fun I priced out what another coach would set me back:

Smooth side coach:
$8.00 - Trucks 2 ea @4.00   
$3.00 – Smooth side (SS) passenger car details
$1.00 – SS brake wheels
$15.00 – Undec coach body
$4.00 – coach glass
$1.00 – screws (not sure which is correct 900110 or 900040)
$5.00 - Shipping
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$37.00 total for undec coach “kit”

I might have forgotten a part, but I think this covers it.

Dammit Kato!   >:(

No big deal, I'll stick with the comparatively primitive Concor versions for the coaches.
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2008, 08:13:00 PM »
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Not sure if you guys care or not... it really doesn't affect me personally at this point... but FOR THE RECORD...

The 10-6 names Kato has chosen are all plan 4140 cars. The Broadway Limited was assigned the less prevalent plan 4129 cars. Minor differences in windows.

I had hoped Kato would be faithful to the Broadway Limited and do the 4129's, which would help modelers add to their fleets with the Walthers [previously incorrectly wrote Centralia Car Shops (InterMountain)] 4140's already coming. Too bad. Variety would have been a bonus.

By the way, the Pennsy classed the plan 4140 cars as PS106 and the 4129 cars as PS106A.
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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2008, 09:59:23 PM »
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What plan are the upcoming Walthers 10-6 cars?

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Re: I'am Now a Real Pennsylvania Modeler
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2008, 06:49:01 AM »
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What plan are the upcoming Walthers 10-6 cars?


Bob, my bad. I meant Walthers. Walthers is doing the 4140 10-6.

Centralia is doing the postwar paint scheme of the pre-war 13 DBR, 18 RMT, 10-5, and 4-4-2.

Sorry. I will edit my previous post.
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