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York PA WM Freight Station
« on: February 11, 2007, 06:16:16 PM »
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Anyone know if there are plans available for the Western Maryland York PA freight station? Now that there's a decent N scale brick again, it is beckoning me to be modeled. Although the prototype's technically Roman brick, the challenge of that tight curved facade is just the sort of thing I need to drive me further towards madness.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 07:43:34 PM »
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I'd have to check with the Archives guy up at Union Bridge, but the WMRHS has many of the original blueprints to many of the WM's structures.  One of the questions would be whether that building was erected under the WM's ownership, or if it was acquired during a consolidation.  This is a great building, and will be well worth the effort.



I could also work on approximating the building in my design program, and generate the plans in 1:160...  but my business is picking up again, so probably not until next winter.

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 08:55:11 PM »
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WMRHS? Damn, I should have thought about that while driving through Union Bridge today. I was photographing the stone load out in Finksburg and decided to make a round about circular return trip through UB, Hanover, and so on. A sort-of WM junkette.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 01:19:11 AM »
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If it was between 1 and 4, the museum would have been open, too!  Doh!

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 12:04:08 AM »
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Hmmm, I don't remember LL ever doing a model of the York freight station. But the curved brick facade is so integral, me thinks starting from scratch to be the "smartest" approach.

Lee, I was in UB when they were open. I was so happy to be out and about (I had an entire weekend without having to care for my Dad) it didn't even cross my mind to stop. I was doubly elated to have been able to poke around the Finksburg stone load out without getting harassed by any security. I think I got enough photos to try my hand at the computer drawings for that project. :) And then it will be a lesson in etching. Where to find the tires for that conveyor though...

Should you find yourself out and in UB, kind sir, and wander into the WMHRS, and remember to inquire about the plans, I would be in your debt. I can't believe that building is used for manure storage. What a bummer. Ya really gotta clean your boots off good after poking around there. Worse though, was the 101 kittens living under the freight shed. I felt like taking them all home, but I get enough herding cats at my day job.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 07:38:11 AM »
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You must be a high school teacher...

There's a yahoo group set up for Western Maryland Railway.  Many of the board members, including the archivist, participate.  Check it out.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 07:44:17 AM »
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Maybe you can utilize the corner turret from the DPM kit for the corner on this model?

You may want to get in touch with John Frantz at Mount Vernon Shops ( http://www.mountvernonshops.com ). He's in York, is a WM modeler (in addition to PRR), and does laser etched kits. You may be able to convince him to do a run of this unique station.

I would certainly consider selling such a kit, but being a WM structure, it would be beyond the scope of my investments for exclusive runs.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 11:14:17 AM »
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I'm still trying to work out the curved facade on another structure, an  art deco-style bottling plant (that used to be in Silver Spring MD). I considered using a PVC pipe of the correct diameter, but until N Scale Architects released their new N scale brick sheet, which is thin enough to wrap around curved surfaces, I was stymied. Now I am running into the issue that a major portion of the curved facade is glass block and any tubing will need to have a gaping hole cut into it, compromising structural integrity. I am not convinced the thin clear styrene will hold the curve without bowing out in the middle (I will frame it in around the edges). I hand-scribed clear styrene and have a decent glass block representation (sprayed with matte clear on the backside), but now I find the PVC just is workable enough - it's just too think and soapy. The challenge at the moment is finding a clear thin enough tubing which is stiff enough to hold the layered materials in the curve. I thought about using a clear plastic soda or soap bottle, but nothing's worked so far - when I cut into them they spread and loose their curve. I think Plastruct makes a clear tubing in various diameters but I don't know if there's a glue that I can use between it and the styrene glass block that won't produce an unsavory ripple effect and will dry truly clear. Plus, all of this is theoretical until I get to haul my modeling stuff out of storage... Right now I've got too much time to plan and not enough time (and space) to actually model.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 11:30:14 PM »
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You can get clear acrylic piping.  If you're in Baltmore there used to be a plastics distributor on 40 over by the east end of Bayview yard.  Can't remember the name, but you can probably look them up in the yellow pages under plastics.

That way you can build the wall right out of the pipe, and just laminate the brick where you need it.  You could make a decal with the grout pattern of the glass block on it, and just apply it over the pipe.

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 12:48:18 AM »
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High school? I feel like it sometimes but no, I work with artists and Board members who want to be artists. Same thing though, lots of drama, lunchroom fights, and hallway he said/she said.

I vaguely remember the plastics dealer you're talking about. Will see if it's still there. The local solution sounds good, but the decal will mean rounded face glass block rather than a series of squares. Perhaps as a last ditch solution. Great idea though.

I wish I could find the slides of the WM BL2 and slug and the high nose RS unit I took up in Cumberland when I was a yout. I hate to say it, but I have recently been thinking about modeling the Chessie System. Plenty of four axle power and it ran through Ellicott City where I grew up in my high school years. I'm sure it will pass. Or better, I hope it will pass. I hate rainbows.

But pooled RDG, D&H, and LV power sounds good too, and that's pretty much a rainbow. Must refocus on the Penmarva idea....
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 07:39:24 AM »
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If you must, model the day before the Chessie assimilation...  Run Blue B&O, RWB WM, and keep those C&O U-boats close to the shops.  And remember to burn diesel fume incense when you run them ;D

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 08:54:59 AM »
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In Ellicott City, it wasn't so much the smell of spent diesel fuel. With the flange greaser just west of Ilchester Tunnel and the nonstop S-turns between it and town, the prominent odor was of brake shoes and flanger grease. Though I am sure this Chessie thing will pass (maybe a few Chessie era units for shelf dressing), I do need to find a way to incorporate an Ellicott City type town, replete with tall flour mill (with reactivated rail service) and stone and brick town wedged in the ascending valley, into the Penmarva concept.
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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 09:09:00 AM »
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Our BANTRAK club president will soon be marketing a laser kit for the Ellicott City station ...

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 09:45:17 AM »
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Penmarva?  Tell me more...  As a denizen of Delmarva it sounds like your running from York to Salisbury and on to Cape Charles!

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Re: York PA WM Freight Station
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 10:57:32 AM »
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The Penmarva idea has taken several tracks over time, but you hit the primary one on the head - a line running the Delmarva to York/Harrisburg (maybe a branch to Pottstown), but missing the Del part. Obviously, a major part of it will be fictional, but other parts will be made of sloughed off CR/NS/CSX branches, also somewhat fictionalized. What I am seeking is light to medium industry types with a mix of mainly agriculture, stone, boxcar loadings (paper esp. from the Glatfelter mill) and metals (in that order); opportunity to feature a mix of fallen flag-style depots along the line; an all 4 axle power pool (my younger Chessie experiences and an admiration for the WP led to this) of grab bag 2nd hand mixed Geeps and maybe a few Super 7s, with estranged Alcos as industry-owned switchers along the way; and both bucolic trackage (I am especially partial to Norfolk pines and lazy water crossings) and some more urban - sort of a Maryland Midland east, with a much nicer paint scheme and focused as a more regional line. Like the real peninsula ops, high and wides will be a feature. Several theoretical hurdles still need to be worked out, like how to cross the Susquehanna (my prevailing thought is trackage rights on the NS, which can be represented behind the scenes). Also, should I concentrate an actual layout on the peninsula side of the line, I want coal movements to a small power plant - so I've toyed with the idea of either creating a Norfolk to Cape Charles barge to rail transfer or rolling rocks (a little MD-PA humor there) in from the mainland with NS run through GP60s. If I do model the peninsula ops, I will also have to create an obvious industrial boom to justify the level of traffic I would like. I've also played with the idea of extending the PMVX (on paper) to Richmond via ex-Southern, CSX, and N&W trackage too. But it's all in my head now still... The fleet is being bought and awaits detailing and the finalization of a paint schemes (1st and 2nd gen schemes but basically replace MM blue with WC maroon, the orange w/ depot buff, and separate top and bottom with a thin bright red stripe); the rolling stock pool is being detailed and awaits paint; industries are being researched, drawn, and some initial scratchbuilding started; all I need is space and some corporate decisiveness to proceed. Of course, finally settling on how much of all this I will eventually be able to model will depend on space availability, but at least I won't fret about what to model.
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