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These cars are equipped with factory-installed interior and end-marker lighting, which is DC and DCC compatible, but as mentioned in https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=60817.0, the lighting is unrealistically bright.  Rick sent me one of his cars to see if there is an easy way to get their brightness to a more realistic level.  These are the instructions how to accomplish this with just two resistors and two trace cuts, and a small jumper.


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This is a schematic diagram of the lighting circuit. With all the LEDs lit and 12.2V at  the track, the unmodified circuits with red marker LEDs lit on both ends, only consumes 30mA of current (roughly 3.6mA per LED).  As the modified diagram shows, two resistors were added. A single resistor in R2 location would have been sufficient, but it appears that when the 47 uF capacitor charges after brief loss of track connectivity it appears that some very sensitive DCC breakers (specifically DCC Specialities PSXX series) recognize that very brief current spike and activate their protection indicator.  The current spike occurs when a discharged large-value capacitor is first connected to a source of voltage it appears as a short, with its internal resistance rapidly increasing as it gets charged.  With a relatively small value of 47uF, the fully discharged condition is very brief, in microsecond range, but it appears to be long enough to trigger the DCC breaker.  Adding a relatively low resistance R1 into the charging circuit will limit the initial charging current to where hopefully it will not trigger the DCC circuit breaker.

Since both resistors are connected in series with the original lighting circuit, they both affect the brightness. R1 has a very slight dimming effect, with R2 doing most of the dimming (by reducing the current supplied to the LEDs).  Not installing R1 and using a 560 ohm resistor for R2 would have the same dimming effect as the circuit shown here with a 100 and 470 ohm resistors.  This modification also dims the red EOT markers, which I think it also good, since they  seemed too bright. Also, separating them would have greatly complicate the modification.  The modified circuit only consumes 9.9mA in total.


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To take the shell off spread the sides of the car and pull out the floor/interior assembly. There are 8 latches (4 on each side).  Either insert sharp toothpicks in the approximate latch location or use fingernails between the body side and the floor, starting on one end going towards the other end of the car.


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For this modification I recommend fully removing the PC board from the car. Unsolder all seven  wires, labeling their original locations. In this photo I did not label them. Couple of the wires for marker lights switch have color paint dots on them to make identification easier.


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This is a view of the unmodified PC board.


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The copper traces on the PC board need to be cut in two places show here. I'll demonstrate two methods of accomplishing this.

One way I use is to use a hobby knife to cut through the copper trace. This cut is shown near the lower left of the B1 bridge rectifier. I like to actually make 2 cuts and remove a tiny sliver of the copper trace to eliminate any possibility of the separated trace reconnecting.  To do this I repeatedly score the trace with a sharp hobby knife. But if you use a brand new #11 blade first break off the very end of the tip elsewhere, because if it is pristine, the point will break during cutting and embed itself in the PC board.  Use a medium pressure pressure while scoring - do not press too hard. Make multiple passes until you can see that the cut is deep enough for the copper to separate. Repeat the process making the second cut.  The sliver of copper between the cuts will likely just fall off, but if not,gently pick it out and remove it.

Second method uses a cutoff wheel in a rotary tool set for slowest speed, and gently "kiss" it to the copper trace that needs to be cut.  This it shown near the top right of the B1 bridge rectifier.


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I have use several diameters of cutoff wheels and pick the best one suited for the job.  As I use the cutoff wheels they wear down and get smaller. I then save those for when I need them for tasks such as the one here,  where a full size wheel would have made difficult to just grind into a small area like this.


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Next, the dark color solder mask needs to be scraped off the copper traces at the arrows. Using a hobby knife scrape the coating off. It is rather hard so multiple passes will be needed. Don't stop until all the coating is removed, exposing very bright bare copper, but don't scrape too hard not to damage the thin copper trace.  If the copper appears dull then there is still thin layer of solder resist coating left and solder will not stick.


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At this point install the resistors and a small jumper.  Due to how small the circuit is I highly recommend using SMD resistors. SMD 1206 size is perfect for this. Begin with soldering one end of the "471" resistor to the pad for the B1 bridge rectifier. The jumper is a piece of 30AWG wire wrapping wire with its insulation stripped (still visible at the lower end of the wire).  That wire is silver plated and solders very easily, which is important for miniature soldering. The extra length of wire is to make it easier to hold. I first stripped a length of insulation, then test fit it making a 90 degree bend. Then while holding it by the extra long piece I soldered it to the other end of the "471" resistor, and then to the exposed copper trace.  Apply flux in every soldered location. It makes the solder flow much better and results in a good clean joint. This photo shows the flux still present around all the solder joints.  Make sure to only use non-acidic flux made for electronic work. Acid would create problems later when it damages the delicate electronic components or creates shorts.


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After the solder hardens, place a hobby knife blade over the wire and rock it side to side slightly while applying the pressure to cut off the extra wire length.  Then use 99 or 91% Isopropyl alcohol and a brush (toothbrush works well) to clean the flux off the board. Denatured alcohol should also work.

The angle of this photo makes it appear that the R2 is sitting over the copper trace near the top edge of the board. It is not, but even if it overlapped the covered trace the solder mask keeps it isolated from the trace.

That is it. Reinstall the board back into the car, and enjoy its more realistic illumination.




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This image illustrates why choosing to use SMD components makes sense.  The larger resistor is a typical 1/4W resistor, the smaller one is 1/8W and then there is SMD 1206 size resistor. Not only those resistors with leads are bulky, trying to bend and solder their wire leads will make this installation more cumbersome than using the SMD resistors which sit flat on the circuit board.

Power dissipation for the SMD resistor is not a problem here either.  1206 resistors are rated 0.25W, while in this circuit the 100 ohm resistor (at 12.2V track voltage) is only dissipating 0.01W and the 470 ohm is dissipating 0.05W or power.

I buy my SMD resistors at Digikey, for pennies each, but I'm sure they can also be found elsewhere like eBay, amazon, or direct from China.  There are also inexpensive resistor kits available containing a range of standard resistor values. Be sure to get the 1206 size resistors as those seem to be large enough to easily deal with.

SOLDERING HINTS FOR SMD COMPONENTS


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Best way to make these small joints without needing a 3rd hand  is to cut small slivers of solder, touch one with a clean soldering iron tip to deposit it onto the clean soldering iron tip (as it is shown on the tip on this photo), then apply this molten solder to the well fluxed joint area.  The flux will allow the solder to spread and wet the solder joint. Using flux is very important for the cleanest and quickest solder joints, and it cannot be stressed enough times that a clean and shiny tinned tip is also very important for making good and quick solder joints. A wet sponge is the best way to keep the tip clean. Wipe it clean (removing any oxidation and extra solder) before each solder joint to be made.The solder shown in this photo is rosin core 0.030" diameter solder.  Even though it has rosin, with the soldering technique we are using, that flux will burn off before solder is applied to the joint. Extra flux on the joint area itself is needed.

ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS


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This car is also on the light side.  The metal weight does not even extend the full length of the car (because of the switches in the floor).  The car weights 1.22oz, and even the NMRA recommendation for this length of a car is 1.42oz.  I would recommend adding even more weight (closer to 2.0oz) for improved electrical contact with the track.  The weights could be concealed in the removable storage boxes under the floor or even in the vestibules.


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I would also recommend that the bottom of the lighting bar be painted white or covered with white tape (as showing here). While it will not make a dramatic difference, the white surface will bounce some of the light creating more even illumination.  Do not use silver paint as white does much better job than silver to evenly bounce the light back into the passenger compartment.


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Here are some photos of the modified lighting taken at various ambient light levels, but since I only had a single car I could not take photo of before and after the modification.


As a side note, the circuit designers decided to add a small 1uF capacitor in parallel with every LED. While those capacitors are useful with front/rear headlights in DC-only locomotives to prevent flicker of the headlights, they are totally unnecessary in this circuit since the LEDs have their fixed polarity DC voltage supplied by the bridge rectifier.  They could have saved themselves the cost of those capacitors and simplified the PC board design.

The need for this cap in DC locos is due to BEMF voltage the motor produces when the model briefly loses contact with the track (dirty wheels or other contact points in the loco).  When that happens (usually for few milliseconds), the still spinning rotor of the motor briefly becomes a DC generator, generating a voltage in reverse polarity of the track voltage which was powering it. When the connectivity to the track is restored this effect stops.  Back when DC locos had incandescent bulbs, the reverse voltage pulse was so brief, and with relatively low voltage this was unnoticeable, but with white LEDs being very efficient with very fast turn-in time, that brief reverse voltage pulse would cause the headlight in reverse direction to flicker.  Adding a small capacitor in parallel with the LED basically shunts the voltage pulse, so it doesn't cause the LED to briefly flicker. But in this circuit there is no motor which can become a generator, and the large capacitor at the DC output of the bridge rectifier also smooth out very brief power drops, and the circuit is designed for the LEDs to stay lit regardless of the track polarity.
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Fantastic work here @peteski

I had one of my VIA venture cars sitting on my desk waiting for me to get to solving this issue, and now you’ve done the hard work at figuring out and documenting the nuclear glow lighting fix. Great stuff!

They’re not pleasant to get apart, I’ll say that; I used lots of toothpicks, and found starting by working the first one in around the door (or door blank) where side transitions seemed to be the best place to start.

The VIA cars appear to use identical boards, although without the marker light switches or even the red light LED’s and associated parts themselves on the light board. Rather surprising that they would go that far to save the few pennies considering most other manufacturers even have speakers in their DC only models these days, but go figure. The coach interior section appears identical, and not surprisingly have the same short weight even though there is no switch block present.

The VIA cars are supplied with profi-couplers in the box as well, presumably the Amtrak cars are too(?) and they work so much better than the EZ-Mates for a tight diaphragm connection working alongside the euro-style kinematic mechanism. Since the VIA cars at least run in semi permanently coupled sets, it totally makes sense to swap them in. NEM-EZ-Mates, a thing with these cars at least, a NMRA compatible height coupler that fits a NEM 355 pocket. Accordingly, they won’t always fit Euro rolling stock, but possible might help in some fringe cases where you have a NEM 355 pocket you want a knuckle for, and they’re NMRA height unlike the Dapol option.

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Honest, I am not tiring to start anything, but just curious, what do these "nuclear glow" cars cost ?
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Honest, I am not tiring to start anything, but just curious, what do these "nuclear glow" carts cost ?

As much as a small nuclear reactor!   :D

Thanks Turbowhiz!

I didn't have much trouble taking the car apart.  Maybe my longish fingernails made things easier. I was puzzled as to why they used the European style NEM 355 coupler pockets and even included Profi couplers. Yes those are also include in the Amtrak cars. This type of a setup seems very European, but even in Europe Profi couplers are not all that widely used (most models still use the old rapido couplers).  I thought maybe the prototype Venture cars are also used in European trains, but I have no specific information.  So if installed these Profi couplers couple closer than the "boxing glove" knuckles. Interesting. I only have one car, so I can't test it.
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Fantastic work here @peteski

They’re not pleasant to get apart, I’ll say that; I used lots of toothpicks, and found starting by working the first one in around the door (or door blank) where side transitions seemed to be the best place to start.

I used several single edged razorblades. Petski has highlighted the tabs that hold the shell to the underframe. Not too much different than trying to get a Kato passenger engine off of its chassis. I also cut the ends of a 2.5-3" nail off and laid them in the aisles of each end to add some weight on the cheap. they are not that visible even with lights on.

Peteski, Thanks for your research on this!
Rick
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Cutting solder is ok... Can find very small gauge wire solder too but have similar issues trying to hold all items.

Solder Paste & Low Temp Solder Paste has very tiny solder balls mix with flux that hold many small SMD parts in place @ same time. Amazon & more has both types.

Others use liquid or paste flux on the parts then small "blobs" of solder on the tool. Do Not use Acid Flux.

Note: Many solder or flux formulas has "expire dates" but often doesn't matter to many DIY users. Example: Solder Paste may try separate if left for months or sooner @ higher storage temps but can often mix it to work enough for small jobs. Other Flux formulas like Flux Pens can "Dry out" because often uses solvents or alcohols to make them flow for high volume operations.

Many Lights/LED projects may need Diffusing not just Dimming. LED often make a "Hot spot" without this. Try gluing a small section of tube or other scrap "cloudy white" plastic over the LEDs. Hot Glue works & can remove easy if needed. May need IPA to loosen the bond.

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Cutting solder is ok... Can find very small gauge wire solder too but have similar issues trying to hold all items.

Solder Paste & Low Temp Solder Paste has very tiny solder balls mix with flux that hold many small SMD parts in place @ same time. Amazon & more has both types.

Others use liquid or paste flux on the parts then small "blobs" of solder on the tool. Do Not use Acid Flux.
Good point about acid flux - it is always worth mentioned to the modeling crowd. Being an electronic tech I sometimes forget that what is obvious to me might not be obvious to people not dealing with electronic components.  I'll update my post.

As far as solder pastes go, I'm not a big fan for using them for hand soldering using an iron.  If I have to use it, I use a hot-air jet handpiece with a small nozzle.
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Many Lights/LED projects may need Diffusing not just Dimming. LED often make a "Hot spot" without this. Try gluing a small section of tube or other scrap "cloudy white" plastic over the LEDs. Hot Glue works & can remove easy if needed. May need IPA to loosen the bond.

Yes,  that is correct but for the diffuse to give best results it needs to be spaced away from the light source.  But then then the diffuser protrudes far enough to be visible through the windows.  The LED board is mounted just slightly over the window line.  Painting the board white is a compromise.
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