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Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« on: April 27, 2025, 12:47:28 AM »
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What was the difference?  I quite often see the terms in pre-WW II articles, and the NP had both in their North Coast Limited in the 20s and 30s.
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Re: Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2025, 11:15:41 AM »
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What was the difference?  I quite often see the terms in pre-WW II articles, and the NP had both in their North Coast Limited in the 20s and 30s.
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According to Lowell Smith after WW2, Cheaper Rates.

https://lowellsmith.net/pullman-tourist-sleepers-colorful-story/

https://lowellsmith.net/product-category/pullman-park-series/
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Re: Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2025, 12:38:13 PM »
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Generally, the tourist sleepers were often just older 12-1 or 14 section cars, or 16 section built, or rebuilt, with less ornate paneling and upholstery, and sheets, pillows, blankets that were 'hand me downs' when the newer Pullmans were re-equipped.  Lounges were also smaller and less elegant, but had all the basic plumbing.  In terms of basic car construction, size, etc- substantially identical to any other Pullman sleeper (although, since they often were originally 24xx cars, they were a foot shorter than the later 34xx cars).

During WW2, there were a large number of old 12-1s that were converted to '13 section tourist sleepers' by means of fixing the drawing room door open.  These were in reality used as troop cars.   Some had their regular Pullman berths removed and replaced with bunks during their 'troop' service.  After the war, many were sold to railroads for use as MoW cars, and some may have been converted to coaches as well.  Some had their regular Pullman berths removed and replaced with bunks during their 'troop' service.

The tourist cars were also sometimes leased from Pullman as emergency coaches by various railroads. While a 14 section car would hold 28 passengers as a sleeper, it could accommodate 56 as a coach.

There is some excellent info on tourist sleepers, and the 13 section wartime cars, in "Sleeping Cars of the Santa Fe" if your friends or local library happen to have a copy.

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Re: Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2025, 02:59:43 PM »
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Here are some of my tourist cars. A 12-1 , 14 section and 16 section cars. All of mine have air conditioning, that was not always the case. The above post is most informative.  O most f the tourist cars had numbers not names.

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Re: Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2025, 03:37:10 PM »
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Tom and Randy:  Thank you!  Basically, no real difference, just not quite as "classy".  Makes sense.
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Re: Tourist vs Standard Pullman Sleepers
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2025, 04:18:53 PM »
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Randy, good point about the tourist cars being numbered, rather than named- I knew I forgot something.

A list of all the tourist cars is part of the resources included in Tom Madden's Pullman Project downloadable database-
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

(note that the url is an http, not https, address, and so a modern browser may not want to go there if it is configured for https only.)
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