Milwaukee boxcab info needed

[AlwaysSolutions]

Yeah, Cajonpassfan pretty much said it.  Those are absolutely stunning.

Cheers -Mike

[GaryHinshaw]

I'm at a loss for words, but a mere +1 does not do it justice either.   

[High Hood]

Well,  This thread necessitates showing another amazing Gregg Scott/GHQ project.  His resin shells and pewter side frames and detail castings are nothing short of unbelievable.  Gregg has done shells for most of the variations of the boxcabs.  Joe Valerio did the painting, of course.  This level of detail and crispness is still not possible from 3D printing in my opinion.  This is another labor of love for Gregg that could possibly become available as a kit but unfortunately the mechanisms have not been obtainable for some time.  Joe mentioned them above.  What do you all think?

  It's beautiful!

[peteski]

Wow!

Paint and shell details are amazing! The pantographs look like modified Kato GG1 units.  Which Japanese model was used for the running gear?  Was it those earlier mentioned  MicroAce JNR Ed 17, Ed17/19 and ED53 units?

[nkalanaga]

-Mike:  The pans look good, but unfortunately won't work for me, as I have "working" overhead wire.  It's not live, but I do need working pans to follow it.  For the majority of modelers, who don't go to the trouble of hanging wire, yours should be quite popular. 

I still wish Kato, or Somebody, would do the Boxcabs.  I'd even buy brass, but the N scale brass market seems to have disappeared after the Overland Little Joes.

[CRL]

Man, but those are ugly locos...

I love it!!!

👍👍👍👍

[trainutz]

Wow!

Paint and shell details are amazing! The pantographs look like modified Kato GG1 units.  Which Japanese model was used for the running gear?  Was it those earlier mentioned  MicroAce JNR Ed 17, Ed17/19 and ED53 units?

The pans are indeed Kato GG1 units; Gregg added the anti-snag brackets. The E47A is the only powered unit; it utilizes the MicroAce #A2901 ED-17 chassis. The ED17/19(A2902) and ED17-1(A2901) are interchangeable for this project; the ED53(A3201) mechanism is also dimensionally identical. As I recall there is a very slight difference in how the factory truck sideframes are attached to the trucks - not a problem.  An old data sheet I acquired shows that the JNR ED-18 is also dimensionally identical to the ED17s but I could not find any MicroAce listing for it. Possibly another manufacturer produces the ED18.

[nkalanaga]

CRL:  True, but they ran for almost 60 years, and could still be running, except for metal fatigue in the truck frames.  At least one was hit by lightning while running - and kept going.

If you want ugly, look at the units MILW "streamlined" for passenger service.  The oddest part was that they only changed one end of the sets - the other cab was left original.  So they only looked "modernized" in one direction.  E22AB and E23ACB, the EP-1A class, with only the A units altered.

Mechanically they were about as simple as they could be.  The throttle was basically a giant rheostat, just a bank of resistors, with a moveable contact to vary the voltage.  They really were a giant version of a DC model locomotive.  The inside of the carbody was mostly empty space.

[narrowminded]

I see a certain beauty in the look.  The look of the trucks especially.   All straightforward and with a purpose.

[MEP]

The Tomytec TM-ED02 chassis might be close: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10335958

It has 8.2mm wheels which in 1/160 would be correct for 52" wheels. I have a pair of the ED14's that that this chassis is meant for, I just haven't gotten around to buying the chassis themselves yet. While my brief research hasn't turned up any dimensional data on the ED14's, they were built by Alco/ GE.

http://g-gauge.world.coocan.jp/PROTOTYPE/OHMI/ED14.html

[trainutz]

The Tomytec TM-ED02 chassis might be close: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10335958

It has 8.2mm wheels which in 1/160 would be correct for 52" wheels. I have a pair of the ED14's that that this chassis is meant for, I just haven't gotten around to buying the chassis themselves yet. While my brief research hasn't turned up any dimensional data on the ED14's, they were built by Alco/ GE.

http://g-gauge.world.coocan.jp/PROTOTYPE/OHMI/ED14.html

The Tomytec has intriguing possibilities, although the purist might balk at the non-spoked drivers which is an advatange of the MicroAce units.

[nkalanaga]

The truck wheelbase is right at 9 ft on the ED02, which would be about an eighth of an inch short.  Since the truck centers are just over twice that, the proportions would be very close, but the whole thing is slightly too small.  From the www.1999.co page:

[Size]
- Wheel diameter: 8.2mm
- Inter-axle distance: 17.2mm
- Truck center-to-center distance: 35mm

[JanesCustomTrain]

The Tomytec has intriguing possibilities, although the purist might balk at the non-spoked drivers which is an advatange of the MicroAce units.

Kato's ED19 is another one which could fit.

Jane