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garethashenden

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Winterization Hatches
« on: February 19, 2019, 01:01:04 PM »
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Can anyone explain to me how winterization hatches work? I assume it’s something to do with keeping the engine warm in cold climates, but what’s the actual mechanism. They were fitted to a lot of first generation deisels, but I haven’t seen many (any?) second or third generation locomotive with them. Did they turn out to be unnessecary or are they fitted by default inside the body? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 01:11:37 PM »
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Basically, there were shutters in the hatch that could either be opened when it was warm out to vent heat from the locomotive out via the fan(s), or could be closed to recirculate the heat from the locomotive back into the carbody through another opening to prevent the engine cooling system from freezing in winter. Modern locomotives dont need this as they have better cooling systems, smart start to keep the engine warm, sealed engine rooms that retain more heat, and micro controllers to run the fans as needed. Rather than redirect the air from the constantly running fans, just turn off the fans to retain the heat when needed.
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garethashenden

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 01:40:45 PM »
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Thanks! That’s exactly the sort of information I was looking for.

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 10:19:58 PM »
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Specifically, these hatches are applied to one of the cooling fans on the engine radiator. By closing the shutter in the hatch, the warm air the fan is trying to blow out gets reflected back into the radiator instead of out to the environment.

jagged ben

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 10:31:28 PM »
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As far as how late they lasted, some SD60s had them.  Not all.  My Atlas Conrail SD60m came with a detail part for it but I checked the prototype and it didn't have one.

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 06:48:23 AM »
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As far as how late they lasted, some SD60s had them.  Not all.  My Atlas Conrail SD60m came with a detail part for it but I checked the prototype and it didn't have one.
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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 04:57:46 PM »
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CN ran into problem recently with it's ET44AC's where the engine air intakes are equipped with a temperature sensor. Seems they're set to shut the unit down if the intake air is below -35deg C... and with some nighttime temps around -50deg C across the prairie and northern Ontario, they began to drop like flies. From what I was told they were ordered to keep south until modified to allow lower temps. Of course, this is a major issue because they need all their DP equipped units in the coldest regions in order to provide air in the middle and/or tail end of those 10-12,000' trains, lol.

I'm not sure if anyone here is aware of what's happened to CN out west, but it's analogous to UP's post SP takeover meltdown. Short on power to begin with, straining under the weight of record tonnage, too few men, and then hit with extremely cold weather... total mess. Have a friend that sat in a siding so long that he ordered pizza and had it delivered to the headend! Same guy spend an entire shift pumping air in his consist and had to be relieved without ever leaving the terminal. A friend riding VIA #1 out of Toronto, who is still not in Vancouver btw, the train being 37hrs late, faced the prospect across three prairie subdivisions of having to meet 48 westbounds on a 90% single track RR.

Anyways, there's a reason why the 90 former Oakway SD60's CN acquired have kept or had their winterization hatches reinstalled.

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Re: Winterization Hatches
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 10:35:04 PM »
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I was wondering if there were any newer versions applied to units produced after SD60's and so on too.  This answered my question as well.  Thanks!!

Chuck