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Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« on: March 09, 2018, 02:40:09 AM »
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The answer will obviously be when Andrews and ones other than bettendorfs and RBs were phased out or prohibited. The Atlas 40' wooden boxes come with Andrews.

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Re: Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 03:09:39 AM »
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Andrews lasted into the 70s.  I've seen pictures of GN boxcars, in revenue service on the BN, with them.  Archbars were long gone, except for company service cars, and I think the weird Fox trucks had been banned, but any of the common cast frame trucks were still in use.

I have no idea when, if ever, Andrews trucks were finally banned.  They may have never been, but just "aged out" of service.  Trucks with "Separable Journal Boxes" were still permitted in 1977, and the AAR Field Manual for that year lists permitted repairs, including what types of boxes were and were not allowed as replacements.
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Re: Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 05:59:21 PM »
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Quoting Mark (Spookshow):
 A big selling feature of the Andrews design was that journal boxes from older archbar trucks could be reused in new Andrews trucks.

Trucks employing the Andrews design were built by various manufacturers (Bettendorf, et al) from around 1910 through the 1930s. Andrews trucks were banned from interchange service in 1954, although by that time that were only used in lighter applications (refrigerator cars, cabooses, etc). Andrews trucks are probably still in use today on MOW cars and by logging railroads.

http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/andrews.html

Given a Bettendorf comment states "were ultimately banned from interchange in 1954. Starting in 1966, all new cars were required to have roller bearing trucks..."  there's your era bracket.

I'm not being overly picky with accuracy, but am going 'backwards' to reclaim many of the MTL truck sets that were put under older cars for running convenience, and refurbing and recovering what i can of the 'obsoleted' truck types, with Unimate/ body mount or experiments with other couplers. I found the Con-Cor truck sets particularly good rollers under a well weighted 50 footer in long trains for example. Just haven't bought any since !  :?

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Re: Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 03:24:25 AM »
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The old Con-Cor trucks rolled quite well, especially if you can get the earliest with metal small-flange wheels.  Paint or blacken the wheels and they're as good as most of the trucks sold today.

As for Andrews trucks, You may be right about their being banned, although I've found dates ranging from 1954 to 1959 on various sites.  One site even mentioned that the "similar Crown trucks" were never banned, but then had a response that the reader can't find anything about "Crown" trucks.  Several of the sites also said that the ban was "not well enforced", so cars with Andrews trucks still snuck into interchange service.  Since the AAR Interchange Rules still had repair instructions for similar trucks, something was not completely banned.  The Interchange rules do say that trucks are subject to the same age limits as freight cars, so by the 60s many, if not most, Andrews trucks would have been reaching their 40-year limit.

The only thing I can find on "Crown" trucks in a quick Google search is this, from the Trains forum:

" Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:18 AM
The Andrews truck was designed to replace the archbar truck by allowing use of the old journal boxes, etc. in a new cast frame. The journal boxes were attached to the Andrews frame in the same manner as they were attached to the archbar - with vertical bolts on each side of the journal box. This necessitated the frame member underneath the journal box. I suspect the Crown truck was the designation of the 70-ton Andrews truck used under the Pennsy H21 and H25 cars. N&W had 70-ton Andrews trucks under class HU (later H3) hoppers with "Andrews Floyd" cast into the side frames above the bolster opening. Were Crown and Floyd the designers of their respective trucks?"

Another poster then commented that we've gone full circle, from separate bolt-on journal boxes, to integral cast boxes, to separate roller bearings, held in place by the weight of the car.

And, even archbar trucks were never banned for home-road use, so if your car isn't interchanged, you can use whatever you like.  That may be how the ex-GN 2-bay hoppers kept their Andrews into the BN era.  Thew were scrapped (worn out) before most received new trucks.
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Re: Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 05:26:43 AM »
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Well, since Bryan Bussey won't be visiting and running on my layout, I guess I can sneak a few Andrews under wooden boxcars around my 1955 trackage.  :trollface: I haven't the time or money to replace every non-MTL truck I have with an MTL one, so as long as they run okay they can stay. Just not happy with those Atlas "two-fer" trucks that supposedly can take either the MTL-copies or Rapido couplers. The pin coupler sticks out way too far.

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Re: Wooden cars were around in the '50s -- on which trucks?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 04:45:17 PM »
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Quoting Mark (Spookshow):
. Andrews trucks were banned from interchange service in 1954,
http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/andrews.html

This is incorrect. 1958 at the earliest:

http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_024.htm

Though it seems that they persisted beyond 1958 ...

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43401.0

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