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mark.hinds

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Re: Standard Track center spacing?
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2016, 09:23:07 PM »
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According to my photocopied SP Common Standard drawings, 1950s spacing between mainline tangent tracks was 14 feet.  That would be (rounded up) 1 1/16 inches. 

The circa 1980 MR Clinc;hfield layout used 1 1/8 spacing for mainline and 1 1/16 for yard tangent tracks. 
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Re: Standard Track center spacing?
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2016, 10:07:43 PM »
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The 'fast tracks' #8 double crossover jig has them at 27.5mm or 1.083",so I have used that spacing.

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Re: Standard Track center spacing?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2016, 12:16:17 AM »
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"Standard Track center spacing" doesn't exist as a general term.  However, prototype railroads do have minimum distance standards between track centers, and this distance may be different depending on the road, and the type of traffic (commuter/passenger/freight) that travels on that particular section of track(s).

Also, to look more "prototypical" many modelers simply assume that less distance between the track centerlines looks more prototypical, but this is not necessarily a fact.

Since I model the Union Pacific's double-tracked mainline between Ogden and Wahsatch from 1947 through 1956, when this corridor saw nearly 75 trains a day (freight, passenger, local traffic) being pulled and shoved by Big Boys, Challengers, TTT's, MacArthurs, Consolidations, E's, F's, PA's, FA's, Geeps, and Turbines...the minimum mainline centerline spacing was (and still is) 20'...which coincidentally in N-scale is exactly 1.5"...the same as Ntrak's minimum track centerline spacing.

Here's a photo of UP mainline trackage on my old Ntrak "Devil's Slide" modules, using Railcraft C70 flextrack and separating the track centerlines at 1.5".  Although some critics insist the tracks look too far apart, they ARE spaced correctly for the U.P.


According to the PDF "Guidelines for Railroad Grade Separation Projects" of the UP/BNSF railroads (dated 1/24/07) the standard "freight mainline grade separation" is 20', and for "freight and commuter" grades, the minimum centerline separation is even larger at 25'...1.875" in N-scale.

Additionally, it took me all of 5 minutes to look this information up on Google using "union pacific track spacing measurements" as the search criterion.  I am certain that the same information for many other railroads, both extant and fallen flag, may be just as easy to find.

Here's another point that may be pertinent to the OP's question.  Real railroads don't have a problem with running track centers further apart when turnout combinations, crossovers, bridges, diamonds, center sidings, or tunnel bores call for it.  The track centers going through the twin curved tunnel bores on my Taggart's module are at 3", smoothly transitioning from a curve on one side of the craggy mountain on the west side of the mountain, curving through it to exit on the east side, then immediately transitioning onto two Warren truss bridges over the Weber River (still at 3" center-to-center) then transitioning down to 1.5" center-to-center at 2" before the edge of the module.  My U.P. style center sidings also require the mainline center-to-center distance to expand to accommodate the siding running between them.  However, U.P. style double crossovers do not require any extra distance between mainline track centers, so I'm okay at the prototypical 1.5" spacing for them.  On my Echo Curve, the two mainline tracks are farther apart than 1.5" because they are at different heights, but they come back together before getting to edge of the module, just as prototype trackage comes back to 20' east of Echo curve, until the mainlines separate again a few miles west of Wahsatch.

I like to see the logical variations in the track center-to-center distance because of various factors on my layout.  I think it adds visual and operational interest as well as mimicking what the real mainlines do in Weber and Echo Canyons. So, you might think about doing the same on your layout if your topography and other factors would logically call for it.

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Re: Standard Track center spacing?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2016, 12:39:40 AM »
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Let's see,  Google, find me "chicago great western track spacing measurements".....

What, nothing?   :P

My maps for Highland yard at Waterloo show 14' mainline clearance and 13' yard track clearance. 

And FWIW, a copy of Army/Air Force track standards for 1991 show 15' and 13'.


Jason
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Re: Standard Track center spacing?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2016, 01:41:55 AM »
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It definitely depends on the railroad, era, location, and probably what the chief surveyor had for breakfast.  If you have a map, or an aerial photo, of the location, that's probably the only way to know for sure, short of going there and measuring it in person.

I used an inch simply to save a little space. 
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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2016, 06:29:21 AM »
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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2016, 05:20:51 PM »
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Would anyone happen to know what the Lehigh Valley specified for their double track spacing?

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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 01:43:58 PM »
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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 03:59:38 PM »
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NMRA Standard S-8 is your Friend...  :)

http://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/s-8.pdf

The standard of the world (not unlike PRR).  :D
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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 04:28:53 PM »
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Would anyone happen to know what the Lehigh Valley specified for their double track spacing?

Wonderful, kinda hard to design CAT trolley wire supports based on a floating target!

So it also sounds as if the manufacturers themselves shoot for a median of sorts to this standard.
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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2016, 08:30:40 PM »
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I would think if you designed it for 1.3 you would be close enough to be applicable to most manufacturer's systems
be they from 1-1/4 to 1-3/8 which includes atlas, peco, unitrack, and others

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Re: Standard MRR Track center spacing?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2016, 11:36:10 PM »
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I used 1.1" for mainline, but did not have a crossover. I used 1.0" for yards, and trimmed Atlas C55 switches to make it work.