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Scottl

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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2013, 01:36:40 PM »
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/Conversation with himself continues/

If I was wanting a S4 for my roster, this looks fine.  How about painting the edge of the window inserts black for a gasket and to reduce the visual issue? 

/Back to speculation, "criticism" and other bits  ;)/


edit:  doh!  Seems like someone else was thinking the same thing.  Great minds....

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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2013, 02:02:27 PM »
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Because the Railwire used to be about building or upgrading models, not just bitching about them.

Bachmann doesn't usually get it 100% right.  Got it.  But they're committed to N and can actully get product from announcement to shelves in our lifetime (and yes, I understand why).

Less whining, more modeling would make this place the forum I joined.

EDIT:  Pointing out flaws works much better as part of a comprehensive product review that actually informs the consumer.  Speculation and bias do no such thing.  Case in point; hood width.  Speculation said it was way too wide; measurement showed it to be pretty darn close.  As a consumer I want to know the model's merits from an unemotional, unbiased perspective...not an out-of-hand dismissal from someone with an axe to grind.

I said the hood was wide, someone measured it wide, and then we start spewing about our dislike of individual people instead of trains?

Back to the twilight zone. 

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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2013, 02:14:53 PM »
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I said the hood was wide, someone measured it wide, and then we start spewing about our dislike of individual people instead of trains?

Back to the twilight zone.

OK, yes you said the hood was wide. That could mean .000001" too wide of 10 ft too wide. It turns out to be much closer to the low end of things which is closer in scale tollerance than many Kato and Atlas hood units. You can't spew out..."The hood is too wide!" without quantifying how much too wide. When you have measurements and can say how much too wide, then make a "critical comment", until then, it is just opinion relying on visual perception which can be flawed.
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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2013, 03:15:09 PM »
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I said the hood was wide, someone measured it wide, and then we start spewing about our dislike of individual people instead of trains?

Back to the twilight zone.

It was postulated without grounds that it was farther off than the Arnold model and then measured to be closer.

Or did I read it wrong?

If not then I think that's a perfect example of why concrete observation is more useful than blind bashing.

I'm no Bachmann fanboy, but I think it's unfair to assume it's way off before you can show conclusively that it's the case.

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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2013, 04:51:45 PM »
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It was postulated without grounds that it was farther off than the Arnold model and then measured to be closer.

Or did I read it wrong?

If we're still talking about my posting and not someone else's, then yes I think you read into it way more than what I wrote.  I did not comment on the accuracy of the Arnold model or how the Bachmann unit compared to it. 

Dave, I know the pendulum is swinging hard in both directions now as everyone tries to make their case.  But aren't you assuming that we are postulating without grounds?  I'm not going to assume what Jason has or hasn't measured or compared, because I don't know.  Even if it is just his eye on photos, I trust his sense of proportion.  Some of us have a keen sense of proportion, and I've measured what I've measured on top of that.  Some of us are better at art, some science, some weather, whatever.  But we're going to get mad at one another based on more assumptions about motives?  I can't remember the last Bachmann product that was reviewed here on Railwire, maybe the 44-tonner?  That one is so wide that everyone can recognize it... is that the problem here that the S4 isn't off by as much?  People assumed that if we call it wide that it has to be as bad as the 44-tonner?  It's not.  It's more like the difference between a Kato hood and the prototype. 

But we didn't even get to that conversation because Jason and others have been beaten down so far already.  He answered someone elses question, maybe with not as many words as you would have liked.  But who wants to use more words when the conversation turns into "HAHA YOU'RE WRONG ONE PERSON MEASURED IT AND ITS CLOSE ENOUGH AND NO ONE ELSE CARES HAHAHAHA"

The bias seems to be a couple people waiting for a Mike or a Jason or a Robb to screw up and then light off some fireworks in celebration.  I'd rather talk about the trains, they're inanimate and shouldn't have their feelings hurt if I don't like them. 

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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2013, 04:58:41 PM »
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You can't spew out..."The hood is too wide!" without quantifying how much too wide.

Semantics anyone?  Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
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Re: Bachmann S4's are hitting the shelves....
« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2013, 05:12:05 PM »
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This thread has long since run its course. I have my strong doubts it will improve anytime soon. If someone wants to start a fresh new thread on this model to discuss its issues and merits without resorting to veiled personal attacks, then please do so.