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randgust

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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2012, 03:28:38 PM »
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Look over in Trainboard on "ATSF Line Started", that's Jerry's thread, and I think he's set new standards for waterfront trackside modeling; he's doing SP on the San Francisco Bay but it's quite remarkable.

I think what make's Jerry's special is how much space he spent on WATER.  I've seen guys do a couple inches to infer it is seacoast or whatever, Jerrys' probably consumed about 1/3 of the horizontal distance just on waves.   I've never anything else like it.   When he shoots shots over the water, or a distant shot of a long train, he's got enough water to make it convincing.   That's the lesson I pick up from it.

Another one of those things the HO guys can't do at all unless they have a gymnasium to work in.

I'd definietly opt for one of the locations that has something vertical rising behind the trains.  Nothing against Florida East Coast, but flat is flat.   You need something big behind it.

CA coast; ATSF Surf line down to San Diego.   SP up around Santa Barbera.   Santa Cruz has fantastic cliffs with trestles, unbelievable.

Even the NWP has a nice location or two up in Humboldt Co. just before Eureka, with coastal redwoods on the skyline.

Tacoma has some nice waterfront running with the City behind it, and both north and south from Seattle has some impressive bayfront running.

East coast; check out Maine.    The Calais branch is rather legendary, Rockland branch still running passenger.

I'm not sure you can do 'generic' seacoast though convincingly.   The geography will instantly tell people where you are if you do it right.  You can fudge on the railroad name more than the scenery!

http://www.r2parks.net/MECmap.JPG

You'll sometimes find your favorite railroad in some of the darndest places.   I have a favorite side shot of N&W 611 perched right on the shore of Lake Erie, looks like on the Atlantic coast, right on the ex-NKP main line.   Check out the location on Google Earth, right between Lorain and Vermillion.   Your 'backdrop' is the enormous Ford plant there.    Nobody models that, no idea why.  Heck, you can even put UP out over Great Salt Lake if you want waterfront modeling!

I'd never ridden down the Hudson on NYC until two years ago.  The railroad darn near has its feet wet on the east side, and most of it has a pretty decent cliff behind it much of the way.   If it's not 'seacoast', what is that container ship doing out there?   The West Shore is a little higher, but not by very much, and scenes like Bear Mountain have been done in N as well.
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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2012, 03:39:06 PM »
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There's more than enough coastline that can be modeled with the ocean at the backdrop if that's what you would like to do.

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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2012, 04:12:33 PM »
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I wasn't clear - as usual...  I will be in a pretty narrow geographic area - and duplicate the general features, but I don't want to say I'm at "XYZ" and have someone say "well what about the rock that's supposed to be over there" -  if you catch my drift.... 

The basic concept are several vignettes, each semilogically connected, but possibly out of absolute geographic order.

Since I consider my second home to be California and spent lots of time up and down the coast, that's the broad geographic idea.  Railroading wise we're talking about present day ex-SP now UP.   Location ideas are of course various pieces of the Coast Line or possible some proto freelanced line where the SP turned inland. Of course much of the layout itself is not going to be on top of the water, with a major piece being something like a Watsonville-ish place....

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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2012, 05:01:36 PM »
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The basic concept are several vignettes, each semilogically connected

At first, I read this as "seismologically connected"... :)
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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2012, 05:02:16 PM »
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Well, Lord Zox, considering that it is California - and therefore may one day fall into the sea . . .
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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2012, 05:18:19 PM »
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At first, I read this as "seismologically connected"... :)


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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2012, 07:04:15 PM »
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Layout 
height and sight lines would be rather important if scenes were built 'looking offshore'.  I would think just two inches up or down of eyeball height might induce some amount of vertigo.  Then again placing California 1 (US101) against the aisle would give the sense of place from Santa Barbara to Gaviota that is quite flat along the bluffs before the hills take over.  Those flatlands are too often selectively compressed out on layouts.  Looking up at trains crossing Gaviota Trestle (or whatever simulation you choose) would be simply awesome, also giving you an excuse for using some of those nearly nekked beach figures...
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Re: If you were modeling a coastline....
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2012, 07:45:58 PM »
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