No Gary, both are HO. The 89'4" flat was scratched from sheet brass with PSC equalizing trucks. It's not my best work when you get to looking close since it was before I learned how to etch.
The 85ft triple was an Overland that I considered to be a total loss I bought many years ago for parts and ended up repairing it with parts I etched. It is massively rebuilt and only about 60% original . Since I have the drawings, making/repairing these two HO was doable and a good starting point to create the artwork. If all goes well, the N-Scale will be on a Sunday Night before years end.