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Scratchbuilder007

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Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« on: April 12, 2026, 09:10:05 PM »
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I have always enjoyed small HO locos.  For example, Mantua made a small diesel loco with a variety of road names (industrial names).

I was going through some of my parts and found a power truck for a Tyco F7A (later model with a plastic power truck).  There must be a gazillion of those locos floating around and they are probably easy to find.  The truck has a copper-plated steel strip in the bottom of the truck.  The strip acts as an electrical pick-up for the conducting wheels on one side of the F7A diesel. 

I am going to try to cut the strip in two in the middle and tape the ends so there is no electrical contact between the two halves of the strip.   Then I am going to flip the rear wheel set over (that is, one of the conducting brass wheels will be on the opposite side from the other brass wheel).  Finally, I need to run a pick-up wire from the rear strip to the appropriate motor brush.

If this works out and runs, I should be able to construct a variety of shells to go on top of the power truck.  The truck has a coupler pocket and coupler which is part of the side frame / base subassembly.  I can leave the side frames on or replace them with something else.

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Re: Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2026, 12:22:17 AM »
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I'll be curious to see what you do with it.  Welcome to the forum.
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Re: Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2026, 01:47:25 PM »
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Wed 4=15-2026 11:43 a.m.

The prototype I made last night was successful.  I am going to make some minor modifications to the design to make the power truck more reliable.

It should be possible to make a similar short power truck from a Mantua diesel power truck.  I am working on the design.

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Re: Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2026, 09:37:23 PM »
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Thurs 4-16-2026 6:45 p.m.

Unfortunately, my work on the modified power truck was accomplished with some Tyco diesel power trucks which were in very poor (discarded) condition.  On one truck, I had to repair the little fork / spring subassembly between the two brushes.  I also had to repair the "u"-shaped retainer for the spring.  The parts are made from Delrin (acetyl plastic).  Delrin is slippery and repairing the parts is challenging.  You cannot glue Delrin together.  However, it is possible to melt and shape / graft Delrin as needed.

I accidently found out that new Jeeps have some kind of Delrin spacer which the manufacturer includes on the vehicles.  I am not sure what the purpose is of the spacer, but some tend to fall off the vehicle and accumulate on the dealership parking lot.  I harvested some of the spacers (white, gray and black) and use them for Delrin repair work.  I think some street sweeper brushes have Delrin bristles.  and I have a ladder-like piece of Delrin which I found somewhere.

The second Tyco diesel truck had no forks and spring between the brushes or "u"-shaped spring retainer.  Therefore, I had to fabricate all of the necessary parts to get the truck up and running.

On the first modified power truck I made, I cut the phosphor-bronze electrical pick-up strip in two (laterally).  The strip contacts the axles on the wheel sets and is located inside the power truck.  I ended up splicing the two halves of the pick-up strip (the strip which I cut in two) with pieces of 0.005-inch thick soldered brass.  Once the strip was re-assembled, I made an "S"-shaped cut through the length of the strip (start the cut on the side of the strip just before the semi-circular cut-out to clear the gears on the axles, cut down the middle of the strip and come out on the opposite side).  This created two similar fork-like pieces of strip.  Then I re-assembled the strip with top, middle and bottom pieces of vinyl electrical tape.  The tape pieces insulate the two fork-like strip pieces from each other.  I cut out two strips of 1/8-inch wide electrical tape and wrapped bands around the strip close to the gear cut-out locations on each end of the strip.  I did this to hold the top / middle / bottom layers of tape together.  It is not a good idea to put a band of tape around the middle of the strip because the armature can rub on the tape.  (Note: You must be careful with the taping effort to separate the two fork-like pieces of strip, or the power truck subassembly may short out.)

I also had to solder a 1/8-inch-wide x 0.005 thick brass tab on one of the forks.  The tab sticks out from the side of the fork directly across from the existing tab on the other fork.  The new tab has to be bent upward like the tab on the opposite side.  The two tabs need to be provided with some long wires which are soldered to the brass / graphite motor brushes.  It is a good design because the strip can be pulled out of the way as needed for inspection and servicing of the motor commutator.     

The only thing left to do is to flip one of the wheel sets around, re-assemble all the parts and test the modified power truck to see if it works.  (Note: There are a couple of phosphor-bronze tabs which fit into slots on the retainer plate for the wheel sets.  The tabs must fit into the slots, or the strip may contact the armature.

After rebuilding the second Tyco power truck, I still need to modify the electrical pick-up strip with an "S"-shaped cut and electrical tape and then flip the one wheel set around in the plastic truck chassis.     



   


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Re: Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2026, 11:25:07 PM »
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Fri 4-17-2026 8:57 p.m.

I now have two operational power trucks.  They appear to run smooth and strong.  The brass wheels are now bright and shiny.

I encountered some problems with the vinyl electrical tape.  I do not believe it is stable at elevated temperatures such as those encountered when running a Tyco power truck for long durations.  The adhesive on the tape may not be stable over time either.  I ended up using some super glue to hold the tape in place - particularly the area directly beneath the armature.

I have run out of discarded Tyco power trucks for experimentation purposes.  However, I would like to try an improved approach to modifying the phosphor bronze electrical strip.  I want to make the "S"-shaped cut as previously discussed.  However, it might be a good idea to cut out a 0.010- to 0.020-wide section of phosphor bronze in the "S"-shaped curve area to create a slight gap between the fork-shaped strip pieces.  I also want to completely replace the tape with clear polyethylene terephthalate (PET) plastic strip (Recycle No. 1 material) above and below the two fork-shaped pieces.  The PET pieces may be attached to the fork-shaped pieces of phosphor-bronze strip with super glue.  That is why the gap is needed between the two fork-shaped pieces.  (Note: A middle strip of insulation material is no longer needed with the presence of the gap.)  Thin strips of PET are readily available from recycled, clear clamshell-type berry containers.  I have used this material before successfully to insulate the rear drive shaft pieces on PFM Heisler logging locomotives.     

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Re: Power Truck for Small HO Locos
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2026, 11:55:26 PM »
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I'd really like to see a picture or two of your work.  I realize you don't have enough posts yet to do that, but I hope you'll come back later and at them.

I've never had good luck with vinyl electrical tape in applications like this - the glue always seems to migrate to where I don't want it.
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I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.