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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2026, 08:19:39 PM »
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I would draw up something first before buying a printer. I mean if you can't make a file the printer doesn't matter.

I had planned to do that.

Just thinking ahead.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2026, 10:47:05 PM »
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First off, ALL 3D UV resin printers leak light.  ALL of them...to one degree or another. 

Second off, so far, I haven't changed types of resin in any of my printers.  I always have purchased extra resin vats.  The Anycubic ABS-Like Pro2 Grey resin is ideal for ALL of my printing needs so far...and I've printed tens of thousands of small detail parts so far.  The only other resin I've used so far is the same resin, but Clear...with dye in it to get an amber top for the beacons I produce.

Third, I don't put my resin back in the bottle when I'm done...it stays in the vat, still attached to the machine.  The tank on my 10" Anycubic Photon M3 8K Premium Printer is one of the largest ever made in the industry, and this is a big PLUS, since when I'm printing large jobs...or just jobs where I can fill up the build plate with extras, I don't have to add additional resin over several runs...and having excess resin in the vat doesn't affect a small, "one-off" run at all.

On my big 13.6" Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Max, the tank is actually smaller in volume than on my M3 Premium 10" printer, BUT, my 13.6" Mono M7 Max has automatic resin fill, automatically keeping enough resin in the vat for my large G-scale projects, so I am not constantly checking over 10+ hours of printing time to make sure I'm not running out of resin.

So, I am not constantly pouring resin out of my resin vat back into its bottle every time I'm done with a run...in fact, I've only done that once when I needed to change the NFEP...so, I don't have much drippage or spillage of resin.  Because of my work-flow in my printing room...which was determined by me over several months of production printing...I have a specific place for everything I'll need, readily available, and procedures to ensure I don't drip resin either on my printing table nor on my printer and wash & cure.  The same goes for IPA usage.

I have yet to find a need to filter any resin, cleaning my resin while it's in the tank by doing the 30 second, full-screen burn trick then peeling a layer of cured resin off of the entire exposure area...thus cleaning my NFEP and capturing any  resin bits that may have settled onto it in one swell foop...without any funnels, pouring, spilling, or filters.

As for the fumes.  There are going to be fumes, from both the resin and the IPA.  The trick is not to eliminate them, but to minimize them...then wear an appropriate respirator if you're worried about future consequences.  I ventilate my print room with my home-made spray booth...which has an industrial blower that's rated for continuous running.  It stays ON 99% of the time, sucking fumes out through a 4" dryer hose setup mounted in my single window.  My Anycubic machines have activated charcoal filters in them, which cuts down on the smell...and my resin is advertised as being "low-odor" which also helps.  Frankly, the IPA smells more than the resin, but my nose has never been very good in the smeller dept so your experience may vary.

Although I agree that several of the bells & whistles on the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K aren't something I would use, I would purchase it because of the handy heated resin vat, the tilt release technology, its build quality and the Elegoo customer support, but, I am sure there are others out there who would use every one of the bells and whistles and consider them irreplaceable.

As far as I'm concerned, I prefer LaycheeSlicer over the supplied Anycubic Workshop slicer, although Anycubic Workshop slicer is okay for most basic slicing needs. and much better than it was a year or so ago.  I use LycheeSlicer and my friend Gregg uses Chitubox, both slicers more capable than either the Anycubic or the Elegoo slicers.

Additionally, my good friend Gregg Cudworth, is quite happy with his Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra and his Saturn 4 Ultra 16K, both of which he uses to produce the vast majority of his N-scale structures that are populating his basement-filling Nn3 RGS double-decked layout with hand-laid Code30 ribbon-rail trackage.  Gregg is an ultra-experienced N-scale modeler, marketing LASER-cut/brass investment-cast/etched metal Nn3 locomotive and car kits to the Nn3 faction, and has a world-wide reputation for excellence.  His present project is the Durango turntable and roundhouse, and improving his locomotive kits by producing more exact-fitting part masters with 3D castable resin for his investment caster to tree up and produce.

Personally, I have no brand-loyalty, and all of my printers since I started doing this have been Anycubics, all of which I have been extremely happy with.  What I haven't been happy with is Anycubic's total abandonment of the finest 3D printer ever built for the consumer market...my 10" Anycubic Photon M3 8K Premium printer.  It had a very short production run, and consumable parts for it are long sold out.  I've been lucky to find what I need by searching the web since Anycubic just abandoned any support whatsoever for it.  My fear is that they'll do the same for their newer printers.

You might also take into consideration what awards the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K machine has garnered, vs what the Anycubic machine has (nothing).  However, neither machine is perfect with each having its advantages over the other, but, with some massaging on either machine, the final print quality is perceptively equal.  The Elegoo is probably the more refined of the two, and easier for a rank beginner to get usable prints out of because of the much less complicated slicer inputs needed because of the tilt-release technology.  I also find the tilt-back cover much more convenient than the removable cover of the Anycubic...but, it's just a matter of convenience, not print quality.

Anycubic is pushing speed over quality and uses frosted ACF release film, which increases print bloating (elephant's foot) and gives strange cross-hatchings on every print, which isn't good for tiny N-scale details.  The solution is to change the release film to clear PFA film before you even put resin in the vat...which isn't a beginner's job, especially on this machine's integral, vat-mounted, bulky resin heater.

Finally, go on YouTube and look for reviews and see what the reviewers have to say about both of these 10" printers.  The one I trust the most is "Fauxhammer", and I've used his reviews several times as the final determiner as to what printer I'd spend my money on.  Also, he has several really good videos explaining the basics of 3D printing and what a rank beginner needs to know to have print success. Here's a link to his review of the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K:
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Here's a link to his review of the Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Pro 14K:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB4I3z5vMnI

In the end, if end results are your only goal, either of these machines will work...as will several others at a lower cost with fewer bells & whistles...but, they will not be as easy to use, won't have vat/resin heaters, their OS's won't be as good nor will their build quality be as robust...but, they'll print N-scale details.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2026, 11:09:40 PM »
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I like Elegoo, but
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Elegoo customer support
Made me LOL.

Still have a printer of theirs that will stop before it ever touches the resin and throw up a warning that I have too much resin in the vat. They hardly ever answer an e-mail. And when they do the answer is to connect the printer to wifi to update instead of listing the firmware on their site. I bet all the MFG's are the same - no support. You can always find the answers online though.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2026, 08:11:31 AM »
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I like Elegoo, butMade me LOL.

Still have a printer of theirs that will stop before it ever touches the resin and throw up a warning that I have too much resin in the vat. They hardly ever answer an e-mail. And when they do the answer is to connect the printer to wifi to update instead of listing the firmware on their site. I bet all the MFG's are the same - no support. You can always find the answers online though.

I'm just going by accounts of people I know who are running Elegoo's.  Sounds like Anycubic and Elegoo have the same customer support problem.

Cheerio!
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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2026, 08:52:40 AM »
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@robert3985 I think much of your response was to my comments.

You mistook me:  I don't filter the resin or take it out of the vat unless I am changing chemistry or the FEP.  Like you, I have never had to filter the resin. And like you, I have essentially reverted to one resin formula with my printer given the vat volume minimum.

I was referring to filtering and handling IPA, which does need regular clarifying with use.  It is much more volatile than the resin so safety concerns are a higher priority for me.

The size of the resin vat is a plus for your usage, where you are in production with one type of resin.  For a lighter user, the large minimum volume needed to operate means you can not ever run a bottle of resin down to near zero.  I could routinely do this on my previous printer.  You utilize a second vat to change formula, which is a good and convenient step, but the vats are comparatively expensive as they have heaters in them.  New or casual users are less likely to justify such a cost.

As to light leaking in all machines, I disagree.  My sample of two machines may not be much, but the Saturn shines out prominently on the side during exposure.  My Photon Mono 4k had no noticeable UV discharge.  I consider it a poor design, or rather, a lack of design refinement.  Indeed, much of my impression of the printer is that they rushed it out the door.  My previous experience with Elegoo Arduino products was good, but had similar refinement issues.

I don't have a particular aligence to one brand over another.  But I'm disappointed in my Saturn 4 16k ultra and have tried to lay out my experience.  If my Saturn was my first printer, I expect I would have moved on.  Having a largely positive experience with a simple and inexpensive starter printer got me hooked.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2026, 09:17:58 AM »
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To give an idea of some of the printing issues I have with the Saturn, here is a test of small holes on walkways.  I've dialed in exposure, etc.  So while the prints look detailed and beautiful, this is a measured indication of what is actually going on.  My starter machine had no problem with small holes.

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=40942.msg834230#msg834230

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2026, 09:21:15 AM »
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To All,

Maybe for starters you could use the attached file I have found on Thingiverse.
It may not be exact what Mr Volker is looking for, but thee designer reefers to TinkerCad, has few Huntingdon switch tower designs, which all are available for modification using TinkerCad

https://www.tinkercad.com/things/0V8yx90g3wP

The designer.   https://www.thingiverse.com/jsmoritz2000

Have fun with this


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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2026, 09:31:54 AM »
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To All,

Maybe for starters you could use the attached file I have found on Thingiverse.
It may not be exact what Mr Volker is looking for, but thee designer reefers to TinkerCad, has few Huntingdon switch tower designs, which all are available for modification using TinkerCad

https://www.tinkercad.com/things/0V8yx90g3wP

The designer.   https://www.thingiverse.com/jsmoritz2000

Have fun with this


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(Vollmer) Yeah, that's a start! But it's not quite there. I could probably start with it though.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2026, 12:45:08 PM »
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I don’t have light leakage on any of my machines.
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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2026, 03:29:55 PM »
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I only have light leakage on half of my machines (1/2), so the experience reported in this thread  ranges from zero to all printers   :facepalm:

To be clear, it shines out directly from the side of the printer box and has nothing to do with the vat or LCD printing exposure plane.  My point is the box shines/leaks high intensity UV out the side during print exposures.


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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2026, 04:00:06 PM »
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Mine shines out of the vents in the side of the printer base. Sometimes I look over to see if my print is done and wait a sec to see if the light turns on.

This is why I'm not recommending a printer of software because everyone does it differently. I would just pick whatever you get to work  :lol:  Unless you buy no name off Temu you should be OK.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2026, 10:11:59 AM »
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@robert3985 I think much of your response was to my comments.

You mistook me:  I don't filter the resin or take it out of the vat unless I am changing chemistry or the FEP.  Like you, I have never had to filter the resin. And like you, I have essentially reverted to one resin formula with my printer given the vat volume minimum.

I was referring to filtering and handling IPA, which does need regular clarifying with use.  It is much more volatile than the resin so safety concerns are a higher priority for me.

The size of the resin vat is a plus for your usage, where you are in production with one type of resin.  For a lighter user, the large minimum volume needed to operate means you can not ever run a bottle of resin down to near zero.  I could routinely do this on my previous printer.  You utilize a second vat to change formula, which is a good and convenient step, but the vats are comparatively expensive as they have heaters in them.  New or casual users are less likely to justify such a cost.

As to light leaking in all machines, I disagree.  My sample of two machines may not be much, but the Saturn shines out prominently on the side during exposure.  My Photon Mono 4k had no noticeable UV discharge.  I consider it a poor design, or rather, a lack of design refinement.  Indeed, much of my impression of the printer is that they rushed it out the door.  My previous experience with Elegoo Arduino products was good, but had similar refinement issues.

I don't have a particular aligence to one brand over another.  But I'm disappointed in my Saturn 4 16k ultra and have tried to lay out my experience.  If my Saturn was my first printer, I expect I would have moved on.  Having a largely positive experience with a simple and inexpensive starter printer got me hooked.

"Fauxhammer" had a similar problem with his test Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K.  After much testing and attempting to figure out the problem, he was informed that the 16K screens are thicker than the 14K screens on the Saturn 4 Ultra.  He was able to get into the OS and turned the UV (edited) intensity down, which solved the problem.  Evidently the factory setting was overcompensating  for the increased thickness of the new LCD screen.  Look at the link I previously posted with his review of the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore
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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2026, 10:33:26 AM »
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@robert3985 thanks for the suggestion,  I'll check it out.