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Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« on: August 16, 2025, 12:03:04 PM »
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Hi;
I am ordering Soberton speakers from Digikey and not quite sure what to order. For many sizes that I am interested in, there are two choices, top or bottom port or different frequency ranges for the same size. Example SP-1511S-1 bottom port and SP-1511S-3 top port. Both are 11x15 8 ohms. Noted that the SP-1511S-3 top port has a lower bottom frequency range but also a lower top frequency range so what is the better speaker? Or? What is the correct criteria?

The first query on Digikey was;
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/speakers/156?s=N4IgjCBcoJwBxVAYygMwIYBsDOBTANCAPZQDaIAzDBQKwAsdIhFcATHAAyMC6hADgBcoIAMoCATgEsAdgHMQAX0Jh4MRCBSQMOAsTIgOIbkpCsOndZu15CJSOTgACAPIALALbYj-IZBABVaUkBZ1QAWVx0bABXcVxFQgBaCGgNNCwbPXsQOgoKIwVCoA

Recommendations?

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Bill


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Re: Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2025, 12:41:43 PM »
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Re: Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2025, 02:54:49 PM »
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I've never seen the "top port" designation before, but it's been a while since I've ordered speakers.  In general, all the ones I've used in the past have been "top port" ones.  Here's a list:

From Soberton:
The 12mm x 8mm I used is no longer manufactured.  They now have a 13mm x 8mm, 6-ohm that actually has better specifications than the 12x8 I’ve used in the past, but I haven’t yet actually installed one:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/soberton-inc/SP-1308/25661507

11mm x 15mm:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/soberton-inc/SP-1511S-1/6099099

13mm x 18mm
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/soberton-inc/SP-1813S/6099110

From CUI, now known as Same Sky Devices:
11x15mm:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/same-sky-formerly-cui-devices/CMS-151125-076SP-67/9561157

13mm x 18mm
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/same-sky-formerly-cui-devices/CMS-181325-078S-67/9561112

From PUI:
12mm x 6mm - note that this is a 32-ohm speaker, and therefore won’t be as loud as 4-8 ohm speakers when used with an ESU decoder.  I’ve used these when space is REALLY tight (e.g., in the cab of a VO-1000), but I prefer the other sizes in 4-8 ohm varieties just so I have a wider volume range if needed.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/pui-audio-inc/AR01232MS-SC12-WP-2-R/11618548

9mm x 16mm
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/pui-audio-inc/AS01606MS-SP16-WP-R/8021794

11mm x 15mm
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/pui-audio-inc/AS01508MS-SP11-WP-R/8021804

13mm x 18mm
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/pui-audio-inc/AS01808AO-3-R/5977706

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Re: Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2025, 11:14:29 AM »
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Sumner, John;
Thank you for your responses and suggestions. In learning mode, in selecting a speaker, are you more focused on overall frequency range, or low range or? I am a bit hard of hearing in some frequency ranges, but I do want the locos to sound appropriate to those who are not so hearing challenged. Consequently I have to ask those who most likely hear the speaker better than I can.

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Re: Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2025, 12:22:46 PM »
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The frequency response specifications on these speakers are all complete fantasy.  Nearly all of them start to roll off at 900hz, and are down at least 5db by 500hz.  At the high end, any response above 10khz is wasted - actually, probably anything above 8khz is wasted.  I do look for the lowest resonant frequency I can find - sometimes this will be 450 or 500hz, sometimes it is as high as 850-900hz.  The resonant frequency gives you a decent idea of when the response will fall off a cliff, but by the time a speaker is in an enclosure and the sound bounces around the locomotive or tender shell, it's all a moot point anyway.  I also look for a decent maximum SPL (90db is good; more is better).

After a couple of years of chasing specifications on these speakers, I concluded that it just doesn't matter.  Basically they will all sound pretty much the same after installation as long as you use a proper sealed enclosure with the correct minimum internal volume: 500 cubic mm is my low point; I shoot for 750 - 1000, though.  It is not that hard to accomplish: a 6mm-high box (not including the bottom) around a 12 x 8mm speaker gives you an internal volume of 12 x 8 x 6 = 576 and that same box around any larger speaker gets you more internal volume.  More generally is better until you pass 1000, and then the benefits of larger internal volume fall off drastically.

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Re: Top or Bottom Port on speakers
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2025, 10:28:21 AM »
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Hi John;
Thanks John for that input. I guess the noticeable differences are at best nominal if the speakers themselves are of good quality. I recently operated on a few HO layouts, with very new sound equiped locos, and at least to my ears, their respective sound quality is improving compared to earlier attempts. I appreciate that in our scale, sufficiently sized speakers are a fitment issue, I am just trying to get the best available now.

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Bill