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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2025, 04:15:11 PM »
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Scenery by Coal Mine Part 4...

Continuing on …....

 

I had designed some logs for the sawmill complex  this past year but was not very happy with them. Didn’t like what the bark looked like. I had looked into using ‘Blender’ to make the logs but it looked like a pretty good learning curve and didn’t want to spend the time for only one need at this time. Laying awake at 3 in the morning I got an idea how I could use Fusion to maybe do a better job than before. I like them well enough to make a bunch and have it be ‘good enough’ at least for now.

 

I designed some in 36” & 40” diameters and printed them and it won’t take long to also design the smaller diameters also. I did try taking my first attempt, a 36” diameter, and scale it up and down but wasn’t happy with that as it of course scaled the bark up and down and the bark itself would be the same size on all of the different diameters.

There will be a high trestle in the area where I’m now working and I need to progress on it at the same time I’m putting in the foam for the terrain. I had designed the different length and height steel girder sections earlier but needed to make a 40’ long section into a 50’ long section so added another section to the 40 footer I had designed to make the 50 footer.

 

Also needed abutments for both ends of the trestle so designed them also. I’ll put the print files up for the trestle sections and the abutments soon on my thingiverse account as free downloads .

 

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New 50’ section and abutment for it above.

 

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This is going to be a complicated area to hopefully get things to work together.

 

Beginning design of the supporting uprights took place a year or more ago and now have to move forward in order for the terrain and the trestle supports to work out alright.

 

Two curved turnouts had been put in place some time ago but not the two tracks past them where supplies and equipment can be brought to the mine. The two tracks were put in at this point as it is easier to get to this area now before the new foam rock faces go in. Which reminds me I should do the track drops now also.

 

I’ve kind of put this area off as don’t have a compete picture of how to make it all work but that will come as I move along. ..

To be continued…....

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2025, 12:34:40 PM »
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High Bridge Part 3...

Continuing on with getting what I call the ‘High Bridge’ designed, printed and put in place along with the foam work in the area. I had worked on this some back in November of ‘23 (High Bridge Part 1) and done a little more work on preparation for it in December of ‘23 (High Bridge Part 2). Now hoping over the next week or two to have it maybe 90% finished…....

 

I have cereal every morning and save the boxes (not all of them) as they make for great patterns. The top of the pattern is the end view of the bridge section shown that the upright supports will attach to.



The far one above is a single upright to the end of the first span and will sit next to a road there and a bridge that spans the tracks in front of the tunnel (print files are up for it). The next one’s main members go all the way to the ground in the same area. The one on the left is more complicated as …..

 
….. two members will go all the way to the ground but the other two will be further up the hill. I decided to stop foam at this level and move to the computer to design the uprights with the hope of then putting the foam in to pretty much work with them.

 

Before starting the CAD work I thought I should get the trestle in place temporarily. I taped the walkways as the grating there is really fine and didn’t want to clog it with any more paint than necessary.

 

I hadn’t painted with the air brush for probably about a year and not much with it before but do have experience with a large gun. I paint a lot with a brush and forgot how easy and fast it is to use the gun vs. the brush for painting something like the interior of these bridge members. Also you don’t loose as much detail buried under paint.

 

I researched guns quite a bit before buying the iwata and haven’t been disappointed at all in spending the money on it. I also bought a nice gun (good reviews) on Amazon for around $50 and was going to use it when possible. I don’t use it much at all as this gun is so easy to spray with.

I was using the black ModelFlex to the right but was going to run out so thought I’d give the cheap DecoArt acrylic a try. Put some in small cup, added some water to thin it a bit and it sprayed as well as the ModelFlex. I use the DecoArt with a brush as it is cheap and I can get it at the local hardware store. I’ll try more in the gun also now after using it here.

 

I made the paint booth above a while back ( HERE ). Used a duct fan I already had and it works great. Filters are ones I can buy at the local Ace Hardware. I have a long plywood panel that the hose goes through that I can stick under the garage door to the right. With the acrylic and all the air in the shop I hardly use it like that. The hose gets what little fumes there are away from me far enough I don’t even smell them.

 

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Went back to my non-air-brush to add a little weather.



Now on to a lot of CAD work…....

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2025, 02:23:13 PM »
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High Bridge Part 4...

Continuing on with the ‘High Bridge’ design, printing and assembly.

 
The pattern above was first made out of cardboard but it was to flimsy and didn’t give a good indication of where the support’s legs were going to hit the ground. Using the heavier particle-board proved to be a better option since it has some mass to it.

 

Part of the support that will go here (above) will hit the ground near the tracks. The other side will hit the hill further up and there will be supports that will also go into the hill.


 

I knew that the design work wasn’t going to be finished in a day but has taken a lot longer than anticipated even though Fusion is a huge help in making this project doable.



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More CAD work coming…....

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2025, 02:00:33 PM »
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High Bridge Part 5...

Continuing on with the ‘High Bridge’ design, printing and assembly.

 

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More CAD work coming…....

A link to this whole build ( HERE ) .

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2025, 01:57:47 PM »
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High Bridge Part 6 ....

Continuing on with the ‘High Bridge’ design, printing and assembly and finally coming to an end.

 

Above are the three towers for the trestle. All designed with non-commercial Fusion and printed with a $200 AnyCubic Photon M resin printer.

 

I want it to be fairly easy to remove the trestle and the supporting towers from the layout when needed, like now when I need to finish the scenery by them. The first two towers sit on and are pinned to the footers under them. The footers stay in place and those two towers sit on the footers and are located by them.

This last tower only has two legs. It pins to the footers under it but with no horizontal stability would fall over. Two locators were designed and glued to the top of the tower. The tower is held in place and the trestle lowered onto it. The locators then wrap around the bottom of one of the trestle’s cross-members and keep the tower from moving horizontally (see next two images).

 

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The trestle and supporting towers lift off in a minute that that will slow down some when the tracks are put into place. Will paint the towers and continue on with the foam board scenery next.

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2025, 04:45:18 PM »
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Good stuff.   Awesome work

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2025, 01:02:06 PM »
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Painted the towers with a first coat and will come back later and weather them some.

 

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Continuing the foam board scenery under the towers…. more to come on that.

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2025, 01:00:43 PM »
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Coal Mine Scenery – Pt. 1 & Tips...

Part 1 of the upper level coal mine scenery east of the mine will also be an overview of the tools I use to shape the foam board into rock faces for my local. You can also use similar methods/tools to create other types of terrain.

 

The tools shown above and in the next image are my ‘go-to’ tools for working with foam board. I ordered and used a couple other hot wire tools than the ones shown above but these are by far better than what they were. I highly recommend these tools from the Hot Wire Foam Factory . The free-hand routers by far gets the most use. More info on the tools, where to get them and how to use them (for sure check this out here) .

 

I bought the bandsaw some years back and haven’t really used it all that much for woodworking but have used it a ton with the foam board scenery. I have a lot of this scenery so very happy to have it. The bandsaw and working with the foam board in general can create quite a mess.

After cutting a piece with the bandsaw I run the vacuum cleaner hose over the piece and it quickly sucks in the small particles that are stuck to the board due to static electricity. It also really helps in cleaning the layout top as I cut and shape foam there.

 

To make one layer of foam board scenery I start with a paper towel and a pen and sharpie. Use my imagination on how I want the basic contour to look. I’ll sketch it out on the base layout foam and then recreate that with the paper towels. They work well since they are flexible and you can push them up against the end of another piece and then mark that angle by running a pen along the fold. If you need more length tape more together.

 
I’ll take the pattern to the workbench and transfer it onto a piece of foam board making it slightly larger. I’ll take the pattern to the workbench and transfer it onto a piece of foam board making it slightly larger.

I use mostly 1” & 1 ½” foam but have some 2” also. The local lumberyard a block down the street stocks it. Glad there isn’t a big box store within 135 miles to put them out of business. The local store has better lumber, better stock on items like this foam and the prices are as good. Consider searching for an old time lumber yard near you. You probably won’t be disappointed in the lumber vs. what you are getting from the big box stores.

I cut the new piece out with the band saw (you could use a jig/saber saw) and then vacuum the static waste off immediately. I’ll take it back to the layout if I need a great fit, like here where I want it to fit tight against the backdrop. I’ll take a felt pen and hold it flush on the back drop and drag it along the foam. This will transfer the profile of the backdrop to the foam. Then back to the bandsaw and cut on the line or just inside of it.

I’ll run the rasp along the back side at an angle to undercut the back side just a touch and to make my cut more uniform. Now the foam should fit right up against the backdrop with no gaps.

I’ll then glue the new piece to the piece below it with the ‘PowerGrab’ and usually let that set overnight if I’m removing the piece from the layout like I’m doing with these piece.

I can cut more than one piece at a time and glue them all at the same time. If I don’t have to move them like here I’ll keep cutting and building the height up staking the pieces together with short lengths of 1/16” welding rod (some use wood skewers) so they don’t move.


Next step is to cut some detail into the foam. If the layer below has been cut and there is a fair amount of overhand of the top piece I take the sculpting tool and drag it along the contour of the lower level and it will cut the top close to that contour with still a little overhang.

Next I’ll use the free-hand router and start cutting away at the foam with it shaping the rock face to look what I want it too. Cut deeper relief where erosion was more at work. Try not to get repetitive, easy to do. Use mistakes to your advantage. Remember that nothing is straight or repetitive in nature. Have some fun with it.

You will get quicker over time. I roughed in the above with the free-hand router in about 45 minutes.

 

Next I use the small brush above about 90% of the time and a larger wire brush, a file or something else the other 10% of the time. If you want a more angular look to the rock face don’t use the brush much. If you want smoother rock faces be more aggressive with the brush. You can pick and knock off edges more with the end brush and use the other longer brush to smooth surfaces. Experiment with them..

 

For this rock face the above is ready to move onto the spackling steps.



I might hit this strata more with the large wire brush to put more strata lines/cracks in it. Will have to consider that. You can change course some when you put the spackling on also.

 

It took about an hour and a half to get these two layers ready for spackling.

 

Normally to this point I would do the foam work in place on the layout. I probably should of finished this area before I did the lower level as it is a real reach to get into the center of this section as the layout is 6 feet wide. I’ve been working on a ladder on the left side above and an elevated platform on the right side. I’m only good for a couple hours at a time climbing up and down.

I’ll continue working on this on/off the layout to get the shape I want (not sure what that is at this point). Then I’ll do all the spackling and painting off the layout and this section will probably always be removable for adding more detail later.

More to come ………...

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Re: UP's N Scale Canyon Division Layout Build....
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2025, 05:11:40 PM »
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Posted two videos...

Part 1 Working Foam & Layout Tour .....  Video shows how I carve rock faces and shape foam board into terrain for the layout using hot wire foam cutters and a simple wire brush.

Part 2 Working Foam & Layout Tour ...... Shows the foam back in place on the layout and a short layout tour at this stage of the layout build.

You can find a lot of other foam work details on my site in the section 'Building UP's N Scale Canyon Division' 'Building UP's N Scale Canyon Division'.
 

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