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Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« on: October 21, 2017, 03:21:42 PM »
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I decided it was time to see if I could actually get these great looking cabooses to run.  I have two of them, one will roll about 2 inches when you push it on the tracks, the other won't roll at all.  The problem appears to lie in the brass strip inside the truck which provides the electrical pickup for the lighting inside the caboose.  To be honest I am not the least bit interested in the lighting.  My inclination is just to replace the trucks, however, I wondered if anyone else had encountered this problem and if they had found a solution that I am not considering. 
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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 09:15:04 PM »
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Can you post photos of the trucks and the wiper system? I have a few ideas but need to see what you are starting with.
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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2017, 01:42:46 PM »
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Hi Daniel, here are a couple of photos.  The first shows the trucks fully assembled on the body, the second shows the wiper system on the inside of the truck.



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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2017, 03:08:08 PM »
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What you have there is a typical low-friction design using pointy axles riding in metal cups. Or at least I hope the axles have pointy ends. You can't get any better that that (and still have electric pickup.  Kato passenger car trucks use this type of design and they roll very freely.

I'm really surprised that these do not roll very freely. Maybe the axles are too wide and they press hard into the bearing cups?  Or maybe there is another point of friction in there?  When you hold the model upside down and flick the wheels don't they spin for quite some time? They should.  Maybe when the model is on the track the flanges rub against the floor?
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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 03:20:21 PM »
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On mine the brass pieces were loose causing drag...I glue them to the back of the trucks and than filed down the brass a little. Jim in Minnesota

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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:14 PM »
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What you have there is a typical low-friction design using pointy axles riding in metal cups. Or at least I hope the axles have pointy ends. You can't get any better that that (and still have electric pickup.  Kato passenger car trucks use this type of design and they roll very freely.

I'm really surprised that these do not roll very freely. Maybe the axles are too wide and they press hard into the bearing cups?  Or maybe there is another point of friction in there?  When you hold the model upside down and flick the wheels don't they spin for quite some time? They should.  Maybe when the model is on the track the flanges rub against the floor?

Absolutely no direct experience with these cars, but have refurbed a couple hundred older cars for rollability and have found problems vary:
1. Distortion of metal wipers; in or out; also lateral displacement and often only on one side of truck.
2. Distortion of truck frames themselves causing greater friction by narrowing axle movements.
3. Gunk in them, simple. Clean with a needle point file, use a sharpish lead pencil to add lubricated surface. Same often on axle points themselves.
4. Out of gauge or out of camber wheels/ set. Wheels with loosened insulators that are slowly twisting out of true can be difficult to spot. IIRC I used the flat of an Xacto blade to 're-press' them flat while on the axle. If they moved at all I generally learnt to throw them away (i.e. become scenery fodder). Invariably they would not perform correctly no matter the 'fix'.
5. Slightly retapering needle point tip on axles with a good swiss flat file (old school- not the rubbish cheap things these days).
6. May be out of era, but Atlas make a Caboose truck that will take a new wheelset.
    Having said that last bit, I'll repeat that the most cost -effective refurbs I have used Atlas steel wheels (both older and recent)  on
    all manner of vintage cars of 70-80's N scale that you cant find in modern manufacture. For example older Atlas/ Roco/ other 'OEM'
    40'-ish emergency war gons, I'm using to represent narrow gauge cars.

Trust these may help, regards
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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 12:22:22 AM »
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"For example older Atlas/ Roco/ other 'OEM' 40'-ish emergency war gons, I'm using to represent narrow gauge cars."

Going just the opposite of the D&RGW - they built NG pipe gons from SG Fowler Patent boxcars!
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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 04:54:47 PM »
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It was a while ago and I can't remember why but Rapido offered free replacement wheels sets because of some problem. Might have been 33" vs 36". I can't recall. Anyway. Their customer service is very good and it would be worth while contacting them for advise.

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Re: Rapido/Prairie Shadows CN Caboose Trucks
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 08:19:39 PM »
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"For example older Atlas/ Roco/ other 'OEM' 40'-ish emergency war gons, I'm using to represent narrow gauge cars."

Going just the opposite of the D&RGW - they built NG pipe gons from SG Fowler Patent boxcars!

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