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N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« on: May 21, 2016, 09:01:08 PM »
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I have a Walthers New River Coal Mine and I have a 1.5' x 8' area devoted to it. I'm stumped as to the trackage required to serve it properly. I know there are 3 tracks to the tipples, but what about a storage yard(s)? Anyone know of some track diagrams I could see, or could you perhaps sketch something and post it here? Thanks for the help.

Oh, by the way, I found out that the New River mine with the shaft extending into the nearby hill is a rare type of coal mine. See:

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/98952.aspx

I'm going to try to adapt my model to be a "slope" mine, with the shaft sloping down into the ground. We'll see how that goes...


Hmm... you'll probably
have to kitbash a shaft
extension...


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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 09:10:52 PM »
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From @Chris333  photobucket page  :D



I think this was the "prototype" for the New River Mine ?  :?


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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 09:17:45 PM »
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That guy is great!   :lol:

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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 09:18:45 PM »
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Thanks! That's great.

Sure looks like the New River mine.


Hmm... what do I know
about coal mines? I'm
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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 09:18:56 PM »
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This webpage has lots of good Trackplans and information...
http://appalachianrailroadmodeling.com/

Including an article on mine tipples...
http://appalachianrailroadmodeling.com/abcs-of-coal-loaders/

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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 12:24:28 AM »
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The entrance depends on the location.  Some areas of Appalachia have folded and tilted rocks, and the coal seams follow the slopes, while others have more or less horizontal layers, and mines can go straight in.  We live in one of the flatter areas, and although there isn't much coal close to us today, it was mined here years ago. 

The map is very typical of older mines back here, and the layout long predates strip mines and conveyors.  The entire trackage would be shoehorned into the bottom of a canyon, possibly with a crooked, narrow road on the other side, and the storage tracks would hold just enough cars to keep the mine running until the next train.  Depending on the geography, there could be more or less tracks on either side, with two storage and one load being about as likely.

Even in the pre-conveyor days the mine itself, the actual hole in the ground, could be out of site, around a bend in the "holler", with only a tramway, probably electric with a trolley wire originally, leading to the tipple.  By the 60s, battery trams were common, so all you'd need is the track.  Back here, strip mines came later than in the West.  If you really want to be adventuresome, model Keystone, WV, with its aerial tramway to the tipple.

Or, if you like trucks, model a truck dump at the tipple, and have a long line of coal trucks waiting to unload.
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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2016, 12:49:23 AM »
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Here's a link to a kit from Republic Locomotive Works that I've liked.  It could use the battery or trolley type loco. 

https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com/show_item.php?Item=RLW%2027240

That's the loco style that I've been working on.  Fully functional at about 3/8" height off the rails running on Z track for narrow gauge.  Here's an old protoype chassis test link from my efforts with a mocked up body and running in front of an N scale Plymouth with hopper for some size perspective.  For some this might be getting old because it is but it's all I've got at this point.  Waiting for the final or very near final before to add anything else.  Getting closer!  And even smaller. 8)  But this is the idea.

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Re: N Scale Coal Mine - What Should the Trackage Look Like?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2016, 01:45:13 AM »
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Many mine trams, in the larger Appalachian seams, were 36 or 42 inch gauge, so Z track would work fine.  The rails are too large, but they would probably be well buried as well, which would hide the height. 

There should also be a waste dump for the rocks, broken roof bolts, and other non-coal materials coming out of the mine.  That's not usually a problem at strip mines, but in underground mines it's hard to get just the coal.  Part of the tipple's job was to separate the coal from the obvious waste.  A floatation plant or other coal cleaning facility would finish the job, usually elsewhere for small mines like this one.  A good example can be found at Mt. Union, PA, where the East Broad Top brought coal from the mines to the floatation plant, where it was cleaned and reloaded into standard gauge hoppers on the PRR.
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