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finally figured it out
« on: August 10, 2009, 09:42:09 AM »
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If you have been paying attention to tom mann over the years, you'll know that I always struggle to build a layout.  In 2002, I was building small layouts on 2x4 foam and 3x5 plywood, in 2004 I built two dominoes and modeled Goose Island, in 2007 I was designing a lightweight aluminum structure to support an On30 layout, and in 2008 I converted my garage with an insulated door and sheetrock to model the Los Angeles Junction.  Interests over this time span included Milwaukee's Kingsbury and Lakewood branches, as well as Milwaukee's Beer Line, and finally SP's Lordsburg subdivsion.

What always kept me back from finishing anything is the lack of a good layout room and the fear that I will lose interest in what I'm building.  However, we moved last August into the house where we will be staying for many years and I have a nice 11x13 room in the basement that is perfect for a layout.

The last piece to figure out was what to model and how to "organize" that into the room.   I came across an article by Bill Darnaby in a early 90's MR that showed a wall bracket that he designed to hold up a narrow shelf.  With some modifications, I built a few of these over the weekend and attached them to the wall.  They are more than strong enough - I can almost hang on them.  Using these allow me to create a generic 16" shelf layout framework around the room.

For the layout base, I settled on 1" foam, glued to the brackets.  This is wobbly by itself, and requires another layer of 1" foam placed on top.  As the trackplan or industry extends past the 16" bracket, I'm planning on gluing more foam to the edge of the existing two layers, staggering them for strength.  Bracing between the wall brackets, and an extension of the wall brackets, may be necessary.  Intrusion into the room will be minimal.

I can then build a series of scenes and join them together on top of the 1" foam sandwich.  As interests change, These can be untacked and new scenes can be added.

I'll get some picture soon.

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 11:39:43 AM »
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Cool, I am (slowly) working on my shelf layout.

So, will this be in O/HO/N/Z scale? :P

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 10:56:54 AM »
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Initially HO, but concentrating on the framework will allow me to replace everything easily (as interests change).

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 05:47:56 PM »
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This is one side of the bracket:

and the other:


I can almost hang off of each bracket.

Wide shot of the layout so far.  Once the fascia is installed, there won't be any brackets visible, and there will be plenty of room under the layout for bookcases, etc.  I'm experimenting with how big of a span I can have with the foam.


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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 06:31:23 PM »
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the problem i have with these types of structures is that they will carry no significant load.  trip and fall into the layout and it's coming down.  have an operating session with some guys who are used to leaning on layouts, and your picking up the pieces of your favorite model.  it just seems to fragile for layout - might work fine for a diorama.

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 07:16:00 PM »
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You might want to use that 2" foam. Then put 1" over that, change out the 1" pieces when you convert to On30  8)

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 07:16:31 PM »
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the problem i have with these types of structures is that they will carry no significant load.  trip and fall into the layout and it's coming down.  have an operating session with some guys who are used to leaning on layouts, and your picking up the pieces of your favorite model.  it just seems to fragile for layout - might work fine for a diorama.


accidents can happen .. but if you are used to leaning on the layout and damaging it, you won't be coming to operate on mine beyond the first time ..  


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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 07:50:56 PM »
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i've never damaged a layout i've leaned on, they all been made with wood framing.

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 07:55:31 PM »
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i've never damaged a layout i've leaned on, they all been made with wood framing.

was there scenery on them beyond a pound of ground foam?

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Re: finally figured it out
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 08:05:55 PM »
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well, the top layer of foam is at 62" off the ground, so there is really nothing to lean on as it is too high.  Unless you rest your head on it I guess. ::)

Testing with HO is fine, but Chris may be right that additional foam and/or brackets will be necessary for heavy On30 equipment.