TheRailwire
General Discussion => Weathering, Detailing, and Scratchbuilding => Topic started by: pnolan48 on November 26, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
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Just bought a 13" Black Cat Cougar cutter and picked it up on my way from Decatur AL to Oxford OH. This is a $750 cutter that I hope will cut completely through styrene, making kits possible. Will try to set it up tomorrow and cut a superstructure or two. I know it will cut completely through, but will have to learn (carefully) how to do that best. It has about three times the cutting force of the Silhouette SD, and much a much deeper cutting depth (up to 3mm or so in some materials, compared to 0.3mm with the Silhouette).
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If nothing else it has a cooler name. However, this probably means that cougar ads will be here to stay!
Best wishes, Dave
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If nothing else it has a cooler name. However, this probably means that cougar ads will be here to stay!
Best wishes, Dave
Well, the last time I posted a public Google photo of my n-scale model 142' Santa Fe tug, I got personalized ads for zillion dollar yachts for sale in Monaco.
I will try to post the "official" announcement, with all the specs and new lower price, of the Santa Fe tugs and barges, tomorrow afternoon. But these 450 miles runs between Alabama and Ohio, through 300 miles of pretty heavy traffic, are wearing me out, as I am now the sole driver. As is transporting gear and tools back and forth between the houses.
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They probably threw the "cougar" in to attract the female clientele.
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Bumping this to see how it is working. Anything to report?
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Yes. It requires a bit of fiddling to make the correct depth of cut, and the interface with Sure Cuts A Lot software (SCAL) probably isn't as sophisticated as some. SCAL on a Mac cuts only svg files, which is not a big deal for me, as Illustrator can produce svg (Scalable Vector Graphics)Otherwise great. Easily cuts .020 styrene. Unfortunately I could not bring it down to Alabama with me, so I won't get back to it until February. It is a LOT bigger and heavier than the Silhouette, which I did bring with me to cut prototypes. Just a completely different class of cutter.
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OK, thanks for the update. That sounds promising- I suppose a larger unit is consistent with greater cutting force.
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Pete,
Question about the cutting blade. I looked at their web site and they have blades that cut at an angle (like for producing mats for photos). Does yours make a vertical cut? Also, does it swivel like the Silhouette blade?
Best wishes, Dave
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Dave,
I haven't noticed any blades that cut anything but vertical. They do offer blades with different angles from the point (i.e., 30 degrees, 45, 60) for different materials, and also different lengths.
I haven't had that much experience with the cutter, as I had it only a week or so before coming down to Alabama. Unlike the Silhouette, blade depth is set manually, as is the height the blade holder rides about the material, and the starting point for the cut. Much different software and different philosophy.
I'm not sure how the blade swivels. It's held in place by a magnet, and there seems not to be a mechanism to swivel it as in the Silhouette. I haven't really looked yet.
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Having a few teething problems with the BlackCat. I had a few with the Silhouette SD at first. Hope to resolve them in a day or two.
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Still having a problem with the cutting mat slipping, making cuts askew. I think I'm having the same infeed-outfeed problem I had with the Silhouette because I'm cutting such long pieces (minimum 24"). I've cut up a new batch of styrene, and will be cutting all weekend, trying different depths, speeds and pressures. Until I get this right, I won't be able to make kits for the bigger ships. Getting frustrated with software glitches and still unexplained skewing of cuts. Documentation is--well--minimal.
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Got it sorted out--an undocumented requirement for longer blade (for deep cuts) was causing some major drift. Am cutting like crazy today. Because it cuts all the way through, prices will drop quite a bit.
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If you want to cut a 2 x 3 mm rectangle in the middle of a 4 x 6 mm rectangle, in 0.5 mm styrene, this is the cutter to have. Mounting round masts isn't much of a problem--drill a hole. Mounting a modern rectangular mast? Cut a rectangular hole in the deck, then cut a mounting plate as above. I'm getting impressed.
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Thanks for the update Pete. I am still pleased with the Silhouette, but it is good to hear what a bigger machine can do.
Best wishes, Dave
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Dave,
I still use the Silhouette--a lot! I'm on a Mac, with older Adobe software (Creative Suite 2) which the Silhouette supports directly. The BlackCat software does not, so I am going through the .svg conversion of files, then through Sure Cuts A Lot (SCAL) software. When I just want to scribe stuff, like ribs on a surface, or have outlines that I can scribe and then snap, the Silhouette is better. But when I have to cut clear through 0.5 mm (.020") styrene, then it's the BlackCat. I'm told the BlackCat will cut through .040 styrene, and might try that with Plastruct ribbed stock soon.
The BlackCat is a BIG machine compared to the Silhouette. But styrene is not the easiest stuff to cut clear through, as it tends to spring up and foul the cutter. I'll be using bigger doses of sticky (repositional adhesive?) in the future.
The BlackCat is not for the faint of heart when cutting heavy stuff. But then, what else will cut it, esecially at $750?
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I also found today that the BlackCat seems to be happier cutting at higher speeds, like 400 mm/s. That's 4X the Silhouette's max speed, which I have never used, preferring about 60mm/s. That was counter-intuitive at first. But it is meant to be a production machine (with up to a 24-inch bed), and it uses a drag blade, so perhaps that makes sense. I haven't cranked it up to top speed of 600 mm/s yet. Still, scribing 42-rib shipping containers for the outside of a 4 x 6 stack (just the six outside surfaces, the bottom surface nearly blank, and blank interior reinforcements) took eight minutes. I was hoping for $0.25 containers, albeit in a stack. That isn't going to happen. I am not touting the BlackCat--there is little documentation, so I am discovering how to use it pretty much on my own, and it is finicky, and still unproven to me. While it is wowy! when it works, it often doesn't work.
Let's see what my single resin-cast containers look like. I just paid $3 a container for unpainted scantily-detailed containers from a major mfg. Was not impressed.
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This is one finicky beast. It seems I'm going to have to be the one to figure out how to cut styrene with it. Some pieces cut perfectly; others, well, not so good. It seems to have more muscle in one area than was designed for another. I think it puts more pressure on the blade holder than the blade holder can withstand, so the blade holder creeps upward. And this causes other problems . . . and on and on. Score and snap on the Silhouette is at least accurate, although labor intensive when it comes to inside cuts such as windows.
I am determined to make this venture work, so am ploughing onward, with a cutter that sometimes ploughs off-the-line!
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It's been more than a year, but I may have finally figured out how to cut .020 styrene with a vinyl cutter like the Blackcat Cougar. It has been a long journey for sure, and I'm not certain anyone else can reproduce my results. Lately I've been able to use 1 mm design rules on .5 mm styrene, resulting in this walkway for the Mobil Engineer tanker.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Cy6LjcsyTZo/Uyo0cl-77lI/AAAAAAAACWE/DydIt3oIZ2o/w1593-h654-no/4883WalwayBase%2526PipeSupports.jpg)
The pipe brackets are also cut with the cutter.
Styrene has such a drag on the blade (as Zox noted) that long cuts still wander. I did a little experiment with my poor beaten to death Silhouette cutter, which cuts straight as an arrow no matter the length of the piece, but only lightly scores the styrene. I tried manually pressing down on the blade mechanism while it was cutting, to add pressure. Guess what? It wandered just as badly as the huge BlackCat! So pressure was the cause. When I backed way off the pressure, and way down on the speed, and used multiple cuts, I was able to cut all the way through .020 styrene, which made this structure easy to cut and build:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iR-r5CeFYBU/Uyo0bT-h3NI/AAAAAAAACWA/mJeDMstkg2c/w1450-h860-no/4890MidDeckPaltform.jpg)
The boom supports are also cut with the cutter.
So, after what, after 16 months of pulling out my hair, I finally got the damn thing to work. And, once it works, it does do great modeling stuff.
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When I backed way off the pressure, and way down on the speed, and used multiple cuts, I was able to cut all the way through .020 styrene...
Pete, how many passes and what pressure did you use?
If it's light enough pressure, I'm wondering if it might still be within the Silhouette's capability, and I just have to be willing to try 20 passes or so... :)
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Zox,
Send me a PM and I'll try to explain
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Zox,
I modified one of the Silhouette's guides to allow for a 0.4x mm cutting depth--just by sanding off some of the surface. Couldn't get to 0.508 mm. But it made score and snap much easier. But it did take about 6 passes. Now, my poor Silhouette has been beaten to death over the past two years.
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I've cut some small stuff from 0.5 mm (0.20") styrene, like this pipe support. I needed 30 of them, so PE brass was probably not an option. Actually, even if I needed 150 of them.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QBoyCaSTto8/UzY_OLrHJTI/AAAAAAAACaA/7ijZZ3vGAK8/w914-h860-no/4911PipeBracket.jpg)
I like these because they glue to styrene piping. Sure, I'd like to use metal tubing and PE brass brackets, but at what cost?
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Now I wish I could tame the beasty cutter to cut .010" (0.25 mm) styrene. I wish it was just a matter of raising the blade by .010. It would seem like it's just a matter of raising the blade. The problem is that I'm extending the blade far beyond recommendation to cut .020 styrene, like twice the recommended depth, and using three cuts at light pressure and slow speed to just barely cut through. So how do I replicate that which took me freaking 16 months to figure out? I DON"T WANT TO TOUCH THE CUTTER! Maybe I should just buy a second cutter, and take 16 months to figure out how to cut thinner styrene?
I think, if I could really get this cutter in tune with .010 styrene, I could do stuff approaching photo-etch brass.
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Another four months of cutting, another four months of learning. The primary lesson is that styrene, for all its good points, is finicky to cut. It's much more art than science. I just got a new batch of styrene, and it is completely different than the last batch.
First, it's .022" thick, rather than .020". When I've got things set up to cut .019", that .003" extra thickness causes huge problems. Windows don't fall out with a touch; they need to be snapped out, and that can't be done with small separations. You might think a simple depth adjustment was in order, BUT--
The glossy surface on this batch is much shinier (good) and much harder (bad) than the previous batch. So just adjusting the depth still leaves me with too much material. So I start cranking up the pressure. It takes four increases, and four trial cuts, about a 50% increase it all, to drive the blade down to the bottom, but guess what? The increased pressure causes the blade to drift! So I back off the speed by 50%.
Oh, I did put in a new blade early in this process, as I realized the surface was so much harder.
It took me half a day to get back to acceptable cuts in .022" styrene.
Other lessons:
The manually set top rollers eventually drift off the bottom rollers. Check them every time.
The blade holder can get filled with styrene chips and fuzz, which prevents the blade from turning freely, which causes major drift.
The supplied software will quit in the middle of a big cut, so keep sheets simpler than the max.
Styrene from different suppliers, or even from the same supplier, will be vastly different batch to batch.
I'm writing down this stuff for anyone interested in learning about cutting styrene with one of these cutters.