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General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: up1950s on July 13, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
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At least , but maybe not all . undec & NYC do now not say "HO model shown" .
(http://www.walthers.com/prodimage/0920/09200000090012.gif)
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I think they've just made a sale. Oh, Chuuuck! 8)
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Thanks Richie!
Hmmm, I'm gonna be tempted to mod one of these into an N&W s1 ..
Here's what they looked like before N&W modded it:
(http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1278.jpeg)
http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php
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;D
This may be one of my easiest steam locomotives to date. Add a few small details and weather! I may change the tender to a clearview Vanderbilt, but... OK maybe not easy, but easier ;)
1948 in front of the Youngstown terminal:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie225.jpg
Another Y-town view:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-s228w.jpg
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With just a bit of bashing a decent a PRR C1 0-8-0 is a possibility. I think the C1s were a bit bigger but this is as close to one we will ever get in N scale. I think the Pennsy had 90 of them but the crews hated them.
(http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL499/2790029/5643901/265596156.jpg)
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;D
I may change the tender to a clearview Vanderbilt, but... ;)
I have dibs on the tender if you get rid of it!!!! ;D ;D
Jon
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For you New Englanders, here's a B&M 0-8-0 taken at Boston in 1956:
(http://lh4.google.com/Gregg.Mahlkov/RpjV0riJZKI/AAAAAAAABlM/7w17IK3w9lk/s800/B%26M622-2.jpg)
(http://lh5.google.com/Gregg.Mahlkov/RpjV07iJZLI/AAAAAAAABlU/7g0Z61CcLc8/s800/B%26M622-1.jpg)
Get out yer wallets and call Chuck now. ;D ;D ;D
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B&M?!?! OH NO! ;D
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As per Model Railroader Cycolpedia vol 1 USRA 0-8-0 owners
AC&Y
AGS
A&WP
ACL
Aliq&S
BAR
B&A
B&M
CNE
C&O
CNOTP(Sou)
CB&Q
CCCSL(NYC)
C&IM
CR&I(NYC)
C&NW
Con&bl
D&TSL
IGN
K&M
KCT
LE&W(NKP)
L&N
MC
MKT
MP
NH
NO&NE(SOU)
NYC
NKP
N&W
NP
P&E
P&PU
PM(C&O)
P&LE
EJ&E
Erie
FEC
GA
HOCK VY
IC
IHB(NYC)
IND U
RI
RUT
SLB&M(MP)
SOU
T&OC
WAB
WofA
W&LE(NKP)
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As per Model Railroader Cycolpedia vol 1 USRA 0-8-0 owners
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Interesting that the Lehigh Valley isn't on that list. They had many 10's & 20's era built 0-8-0's on their line. Surprisingly not a 1 was of USRA design I guess.
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What I learned was not all the USRA 0-8-0's were the same . Some had a slopped front edge to the cab , and some had front end throttles . So its more like a family of USRA 0-8-0's than clones , though if you were not aware of the nuances , they would look alike . Tenders are all over the map . You not only need to know the road , but the engine number to get that correct . I bet , just like many UP steam . the date will come into play , not only for the tender , but even the number . Unless you had a photo of an engine on the date that is of importance to you , you always take the risk of detailing a steamer incorrectly .
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Union Pacific actually had one 0-8-0 locomotive, of course it was converted frrom a 2-8-0 Connie by removing the pilot truck. Back in the early days of N (then Trebble -O) this gave me justification for purchasing a Lone Star 0-8-0 which came only in UP lettering, with the thought of trying to reverse engineer it back to a 2-8-0 or Mike ,but given the crude technology of the era,rubber band drive in the overly large tender and lack of detailing including no valve gear the project never happened. Nate Goodman (Nato). Salt Lake, Utah.
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Oooh, FEC. That's right... these were their local freight power.
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The N&W's came from C&O. The C&O ones were built in the late 1940s, seemingly right before they abandoned buying steam. They were based on the USRA design. N&W liked the improved version enough to build copies up to 1953.
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As per Model Railroader Cycolpedia vol 1 USRA 0-8-0 owners
AC&Y
AGS
A&WP
ACL
Aliq&S
BAR
B&A
B&M
CNE
C&O
CNOTP(Sou)
CB&Q
CCCSL(NYC)
C&IM
CR&I(NYC)
C&NW
Con&bl
D&TSL
IGN
K&M
KCT
LE&W(NKP)
L&N
MC
MKT
MP
NH
NO&NE(SOU)
NYC
NKP
N&W
NP
P&E
P&PU
PM(C&O)
P&LE
EJ&E
Erie
FEC
GA
HOCK VY
IC
IHB(NYC)
IND U
RI
RUT
SLB&M(MP)
SOU
T&OC
WAB
WofA
W&LE(NKP)
And the FJ&G had one built by ALCO (B/N 65158) built 8/1923 and was eventually scrapped in 1947. BTW purchase price was $37,376.61
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for the terminally bored here's an article on 0-8-0s:
http://trains.com/ctr/default.aspx?c=a&id=105
An interesting thing in there is that it says the C&O development of the USRA 0-8-0 was larger than the original USRA design. I wonder if this is correct and if so where the size differential is (guess I gotta do some homework ::)).
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for the terminally bored here's an article on 0-8-0s:
http://trains.com/ctr/default.aspx?c=a&id=105
An interesting thing in there is that it says the C&O development of the USRA 0-8-0 was larger than the original USRA design. I wonder if this is correct and if so where the size differential is (guess I gotta do some homework ::)).
Looking in the Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia it shows a great C&O side shot of 246 , says
"Late copies of the famous engine frequently came with front end throttles . Lima built this engine for the C&O during WW2 .It was later sold to the N&W ."
Comparing it to a NYC similar visual r/s shot of 415 they look the same size engine wise , with the exception of a bigger dimension forward of the forward sand box to the start of the steam chest on the C&O which looks to be about 1/2 a foot more space .
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Thanks Richie.
I did find that this design had 52" drivers vs 51" on the "official" USRA design.
Mark
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Here is a good C&O (HO) 0-8-0 that measurements can be extrapolated from . I can't swear on the accuracy of the model though .
http://www.jaystrains.com/images/brass/lam-c15a.jpg
http://www.missabe.com/modelphotos/brass080.jpg
(http://www.bcenterpriseinc.com/brass/sohococ15l.jpg)
(http://www.walthers.com/prodimage/0920/09200000090012.gif)
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heh thanks - I have N&W 0-8-0 drawings at home - thing is I don't have the USRA 0-8-0 drawings.
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heh thanks - I have N&W 0-8-0 drawings at home - thing is I don't have the USRA 0-8-0 drawings.
No drawing , but some spec's
http://www.emalta.com/mediawiki/index.php/USRA_0-8-0
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I guess it doesn't really matter to me - it's pretty damn close! :P
Looks like a new bell mount at the top of the smoke box front, relocating the light to the center of the boiler plate (this part could be challenging), front "stairs", angling the cab somehow, and extending the coal bunker on the tender will get it close enough for me to an N&W S-1 switcher.
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heh thanks - I have N&W 0-8-0 drawings at home - thing is I don't have the USRA 0-8-0 drawings.
These?
(https://www.therailwire.net/album/albums/userpics/USRA0-8-0.jpg)
This is from an HO conversion into a C&O 0-8-0 by Mike Brock.